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4 minutes ago, 1816 said:

You guys ever build something up so much that even if it turned out really really good, it was just a little disappointing? This is starting to feel a bit like that. 

These conversations usually fade once something starts popping up for the regional threads to dive in to. But until then this notion of a phantom un heard of cold December weather 🤣 is front and center as the only thing to obsess over from run to run (which is 100% what I'm admittedly doing). 

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13 minutes ago, Ohiobuckeye45 said:

These conversations usually fade once something starts popping up for the regional threads to dive in to. But until then this notion of a phantom un heard of cold December weather 🤣 is front and center as the only thing to obsess over from run to run (which is 100% what I'm admittedly doing). 

These graphics we are drooling over are just too good. The last time anything like this was on the table was 09 and the modeling and knowledge has come light years further in the intervening 13 years. 

But. It never takes much to all go poof. A little off on some timing here and there and you got nothing. Timing was dead on all winter long in 09.

Looking forward to seeing what we can get this year. That's the thrill right there. We are looking at a wrapped gift at this point.  All we know right now is its a big ass heavy box, so hopefully it's something nice. 

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2 hours ago, Iceresistance said:

Normally, this is from the GFS, but have Y'all ever seen the Super Omega -NAO block from the Euro!?

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The biggest takeaway that needs to be brought up is just how intense that -NAO block gets. Too much can negatively affect outcomes for allowing snow potential and would push some severe cold pretty far west. Models also tend to remove the blocking pattern rather quickly compared to reality. I think we need to see how this week evolves to get a better picture as we move into mid month. The transition still looks around the 7th. The lack of -EPO/+PNA is concerning still even as we move closer in time.

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4 hours ago, Penn State said:

Did someone mention eye candy? 👀

It’s not there yet.. but I would like to see more of this on the long run modeling, even if to make my heart temporarily happy 😃 

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I say we lock in that GFS run in general. I love that cutoff low in Colorado that give Kansas and Nebraska plenty of rain and snow.

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8 hours ago, Iceresistance said:

Normally, this is from the GFS, but have Y'all ever seen the Super Omega -NAO block from the Euro!?

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Not disagreeing about the magnitude of the block, but from a purely mathematical index perspective, the weak troffing near Iceland and the Azores would probably "contaminate" the EOF and lead to a less impressive looking NAO graph 

 

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Final CFS monthly forecast for DEC

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The final 9 from NOV 22 on. Steadily colder each run. Today's is the coldest. That's encouraging.

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I really see nothing that really concerns me when looking at the east-based La Nina, MJO, & the understanding of a large -NAO loading period.

LR model runs eradic, both OP & ensembles has been the only concern but that is not unusual during winter MJO. 

With that said, up & down looks to be the case at first but as we move into the 2nd week of DEC cold moderates less & less from west to east. Winter storm chance wise, first best chances with -NAO loading pattern being ripe...putting breaks on pattern....and leading to winter storm opportunities first for OV then afterward east coast is between 10-15th. 

No one is predicting brutality with the cold throughout. But it's the coldest looking DEC since 2017 & only the 2nd since 2013. So relax & enjoy. Obviously it's weather & no one knows exactly how everything will shake out on storms etc. Also no one knows for sure how it a will all unfold, but probabilities for a colder DEC & potentially some winter storm opportunities in DEC is much higher than it has been in a long time. 

 

 

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Anyone remember the December 23-26, 2010 Winter Storm? Midwest storm occluded & formed a east coast low. Brought heavy snow Midwest, light snows in OV & heavy snow in NE. 

 

One of the GFS runs kind of hints at something like that & the Ensemble mean 500mb pattern favors it. Not saying it's happening, it's pastcday 10 lol. I'm just sharing the similarities. 

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If you walk the 500mb through day by day of the 2010 Winter storm its almost exactly like above. 

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It's funny...I've been following this forum as well as WXDisco. If I didn't know any better, I'd think the two boards were following two completely different winters. Over there, there is no mention of any of this. It's all warmth, doom, and gloom. 

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34 minutes ago, HateWinterWarmth said:

It's funny...I've been following this forum as well as WXDisco. If I didn't know any better, I'd think the two boards were following two completely different winters. Over there, there is no mention of any of this. It's all warmth, doom, and gloom. 

When did they get it up & running again?

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35 minutes ago, HateWinterWarmth said:

It's funny...I've been following this forum as well as WXDisco. If I didn't know any better, I'd think the two boards were following two completely different winters. Over there, there is no mention of any of this. It's all warmth, doom, and gloom. 

 

I wonder why? 🤔 

Anthony Masiello, Eric Webb, Paul Roundy would disagree. 

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8 minutes ago, Grace said:

When did they get it up & running again?

It's been up and running for months...but PlanetMaster is in the midst of converting it into something else (Global Climate Center or something like that)

7 minutes ago, Grace said:

 

I wonder why? 🤔 

Anthony Masiello, Eric Webb, Paul Roundy would disagree. 

My theory is it doesn't fit PlanetMaster's climate change armageddon narrative. 

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5 minutes ago, HateWinterWarmth said:

It's been up and running for months...but PlanetMaster is in the midst of converting it into something else (Global Climate Center or something like that)

My theory is it doesn't fit PlanetMaster's climate change armageddon narrative. 

Well, the link to WxDisco is now dead.

 

But can Y'all try to mostly on topic for this winter? December Cold has the Highest Potential since the 1980s.

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13 hours ago, 1816 said:

These graphics we are drooling over are just too good. The last time anything like this was on the table was 09 and the modeling and knowledge has come light years further in the intervening 13 years. 

But. It never takes much to all go poof. A little off on some timing here and there and you got nothing. Timing was dead on all winter long in 09.

Looking forward to seeing what we can get this year. That's the thrill right there. We are looking at a wrapped gift at this point.  All we know right now is its a big ass heavy box, so hopefully it's something nice. 

Has happened before can happen again 

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51 minutes ago, HateWinterWarmth said:

It's funny...I've been following this forum as well as WXDisco. If I didn't know any better, I'd think the two boards were following two completely different winters. Over there, there is no mention of any of this. It's all warmth, doom, and gloom. 

That's not really showing up anywhere. The data being crunched by the models is right there for all to see. 

Side note:

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