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2024 Tropical Atlantic Discussion and Pre-invest thread


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On 8/1/2024 at 10:46 AM, StretchCT said:

Invest 97L is underway.  While this one seems certain to form, I'd prefer to wait until its PTC or TD to start a thread.   Nothing like having a list of dead invest threads in the tropical section. 

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I'll add to the comment above that the nhc is still saying 60% for formation

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Potential Tropical Cyclone Four has formed.

 

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Some additional development likely in the next few weeks.

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Week two references this system seen on the Euro

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Week three probably references this system

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Its rare I see these two line up like this at 240hr. Basically the same track.  Euro at 966mb track in blue

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GFS at 979mb track in red

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GFS, Euro and CMC in agreement that this stays off the coast.  There are a couple of frontal interactions needed to make this happen and an upper low/trough that enters late in the picture that can mess it up.  But right now, seems to be a fish storm.

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One ensemble member didn't have a recurve

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3 hours ago, StretchCT said:

and an upper low/trough that enters late in the picture that can mess it up. 

This is what I was looking at.  Shows up on the 12z gfs. This weak cut off upper low takes the storm to Maine/NS instead of driving it out.

 

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57 minutes ago, StretchCT said:

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Not surprised that tropical systems are forming. Oceans these days are blazing hit, pure jet fuel for such storms. Would have to be some major sheer to keep them apart without land or other obstacles.

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4 hours ago, StretchCT said:

Ugh

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Obviously this is nothing more than a single run on a single model, but I'd like to know what is causing that left hook. Sandy made a turn like that into the NYC metro and despite not being a proper hurricane (with other components involved), we all know how that played out.

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Have to watch for cut off upper lows and negative tilted troughs when it comes to left hooks.

This doesn't look well organized. In NHC terms, shows some signs of organization. 

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Some higher winds there not much circulation

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This looks kinda familiar. GFS bottoms out at 962 mb as it passes/hits Tampa. 12z run struggles in the MDR but does pop one in the Central Atl.

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12z Euro/EPS combo has a wave through the windwards developing in the Caribbean and curving north, similar to 6z GFS

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7 hours ago, StLweatherjunkie said:

ECMWF AI model is trending towards an active second week of September in the Gulf ... I wouldn't bet against it

 

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GFS seems to be latching on to something next week. 18z ran up Mobile Bay and 06z has a strong system in W Louisiana. Euro runs a system ashore in the Yucatán in a similar timespan. We might have something to look at in the next 4-7 days potentially. 

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