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Jan. 15-17th, 2024 | NE/MidAtl Winter Storm


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1 minute ago, ionizer said:

listen, i  used to like a good snoball comment in a thread just like the rest of you, but this obsession about posting his old comments and referring to him ad nauseam is getting

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Canadian is also better but misses phase and slides out and up and nicks NE. But also ever changing model run to run. Close but no cigar this run. 

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32 minutes ago, Rickrd said:

0z GFS improved for an East Coast hit but not quite there yet. Fun to watch. 

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With the way there winter has been I'm sure the Delmarva folks would take their 1-2 inch snow and run.

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2 hours ago, Rickrd said:

Canadian is also better but misses phase and slides out and up and nicks NE. But also ever changing model run to run. Close but no cigar this run. 

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What is with that banding from E. WV thru Central VA down to NC. Is that back end wrap around banding. Just odd the model would pick up on that feature kinda far out. Would be interesting if there is some sort of clear wrap around with this storm. Has been a minute since we had one of those type of wrap around lows at the coast.

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14 minutes ago, eddygeeme said:

What is with that banding from E. WV thru Central VA down to NC. Is that back end wrap around banding. Just odd the model would pick up on that feature kinda far out. Would be interesting if there is some sort of clear wrap around with this storm. Has been a minute since we had one of those type of wrap around lows at the coast.

Not really focusing on precip field at this point. That will fill in during later runs. Right now focused on possible tracks and ironing out LP placement which models are obviously having a difficult time sorting out. Stay tuned. 

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5 minutes ago, Rickrd said:

0z Euro. Kuchera. 
South and East this run. Nice hit for SE PA, DE, NYC, LI and SE NE. Stay tuned. IMG_8595.thumb.png.7a49ec71257f931a607bceb215b789e8.png

Wouldn't take more than a 25-35mi shift west/north or even just a slightly stronger storm to make this an entire east coast Snow Storm. Things should clear up after the cutter system passes thru the Midwest. 

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13 minutes ago, Rickrd said:

Not really focusing on precip field at this point. That will fill in during later runs. Right now focused on possible tracks and ironing out LP placement which models are obviously having a difficult time sorting out. Stay tuned. 

Oh I know, just my curiosity if that was a possible wrap around signature.

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5 hours ago, 1816 said:

Perhaps but he's an unofficial weather mascot who's memory lives on even though no one has heard from him in years. Put some respect on snowbal name. 

Snobal is our version of an entity named Moe at a campus/community radio station that I used to volunteer at, off and on in Binghamton, NY between the 1990s and 2010s. No one could quite explain who “Moe” was, he just was sort of a quasi- mythical figure. Snobal could very well be our Moe, and he could very well be around in 2034, 2044, etc., by which time I could be in purgatory.

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, SnowloverSid said:

Snobal is our version of an entity named Moe at a campus/community radio station that I used to volunteer at, off and on in Binghamton, NY between the 1990s and 2010s. No one could quite explain who “Moe” was, he just was sort of a quasi- mythical figure. Snobal could very well be our Moe, and he could very well be around in 2034, 2044, etc., by which time I could be in purgatory.

 

 

 

 

lol. Ya, I can see that. But SNOBAL was indeed a real dude back in the day when a lot of us were in the Accuweather forums. From what I remember, with every storm he was the anti-storm guy. People were just out to post thoughts 5,6,7 days out and he would come in and throw a 1 liner in there why it wasn’t happening and really offer no explanation. It became hysterical through time and the SNOBAL factor was born. 

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41 minutes ago, Rickrd said:

lol. Ya, I can see that. But SNOBAL was indeed a real dude back in the day when a lot of us were in the Accuweather forums. From what I remember, with every storm he was the anti-storm guy. People were just out to post thoughts 5,6,7 days out and he would come in and throw a 1 liner in there why it wasn’t happening and really offer no explanation. It became hysterical through time and the SNOBAL factor was born. 

Yup that's what I remember he was always the nah it's not gonna work guy from back in the day. I miss those old  AccuWeather days in the early 2010s. We just happened to get some  crazy blizzards especially in thd Central  mid Atlantic. I grew fond of "Accu Rayno" videos tracking those storms back then.

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Serious note or two 

The systems that come by while a huge UL Gyre is in SE Canada - the majority of the gang always fret the solutions that push storm track S of Mason Dixon

Said UL monster gyres are, historically, as difficult for the models as are HLB (high latitude blocks) . The reason that I see is because they just don't "know" what to do with the energy bleeding off said ULL. Does that energy get involved, when does it get involved, to what extent does it get involved - ALL these have major impact on track

This is kind of shaping up to be a mini version of PDII (2/2003) with double barreled weak low pressures along the same stalled boundary. The big difference between that and this is that PDII had a massive blocking H in SE Canada - not an "acting block" ULL. (both brought serious cold into the equation)

Our old adage of "must clear out the prior system before taking Op solutions seriously" applies strongly here. 

 

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Good old GFS 6z provides excellent illustration to my point about ULL involvement. It just came in gangbusters for the non coastal regions and up into NE - and that is because the "over top" ULL gets heavily involved. To me, this solution is not too unlike the 00z from 1/9Euro

 

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I "like" the CIPS #1 analog for this one (1/1994). Because that analog also has a January date. The ones that don't match month to month don't seem to pan out as often. Also b/c 1994 was VERY cold - the kind of deep cold we'll see next week (actually even deeper and longer duration)

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Just now, Undertakerson2.0 said:

I "like" the CIPS #1 analog for this one (1/1994). Because that analog also has a January date. The ones that don't match month to month don't seem to pan out as often. Also b/c 1994 was VERY cold - the kind of deep cold we'll see next week (actually even deeper and longer duration)

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And it's not difficult to see the snowfall pattern match to this one. image.thumb.png.4d58d3aca3cfbb98bcc641df31edfb5d.png

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Ensembles with spread H5.

When you see the spread on either side of the trof base, it screams phase uncertainty.  Deterministics are going to bounce around for another day or two at least. 

 

 

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