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November 21-23, 2023 | NE Winter Storm Potential


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We'll see if the Euro separates them even more.  But wow this GFS trend is interesting.  It's like that ridge out west came out of nowhere and bullied the trough all the way to Canada.

I'm capturing the forecast from the 12z run for a 5 day challenge.

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18 gfs not backing down and has another juicy one for Saturday as well. Great run. The euro has the low north of lake Michigan pump warm air into the region and erode any cold. The gfs doesn't do that and takes the low to near Buffalo and transfer to SNJ coast keeping the HV and NE of there in the cold sector.

 

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3 hours ago, MaineJay said:

Last 6 GFS runs.  Yikes.  Still making wild swings  So much for that polar vortex making a visit.  GFS was crazy phase happy last year too.

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Over these past 2, 3 years I have often questioned to myself if it is even worth looking at the GFS anymore. It's rough man.

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1 minute ago, JDClapper said:

Over these past 2, 3 years I have often questioned to myself if it is even worth looking at the GFS anymore. It's rough man.

I generally agree. But I'd say the gfs has been superior lately to the euro.  But they seem to go In cycles.

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1 hour ago, JDClapper said:

At minimum it can be quite good entertainment on its bad days. 😃

Read the fine print and it says the GFS is "for comedic relief purposes only".  

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Huge nod to the gfs. The euro and candian had rain to Toronto even north of there and zero frozen in NYS. They have dramatically shifted towards the colder gfs solution. The ggs did wobble a tad but, within expected range IMO at that range. GfS gets good chunk of the storm frozen from i84 on north. Euro and Canadian now have frozen into NPA and the catskills. 

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Canadian 

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Trof evolution, hopefully these sync. Biggest difference is the way the GFS really dives a piece of energy from ND to the ArkLaTex   This vigorous energy is allowing the GFS to drown the system rapidly at the coast. 17mb/12hr on the 18z. 12z was more dramatic.

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Probably closer to the maximum for some of the spread in H5 heights with regards to Northern stream energy, and degree of phasing.  It's kind of a strange trof, the northern part has some negative tilt, but the base lags, and gets stretched towards Baja, so subtleties in it's orientation play a role too.  

 Right now I'd lean towards a later blooming system, favoring the higher terrain of Nee England, perhaps into the 'dacks.

 Not ruling anything out here,a rock 1-3", 2-4" type thing before a change over for my backyard makes sense for this time of year.

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Low clusters.  The GEFS with more spread better captures the envelope, especially considering some of the volatile modeling.

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