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I don't know whether this Mega -NAO is fools gold or not but it came out of nowhere & has taken over on the Euro & Canadian model pattern. If this is real & not model fools gold it could get interesting. 

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Larry Cosgrove, retired met, seems to think Modoki:

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This appears to be a west-based "Modoki: event taking shape, as waters near the Galapagos Islands are cooling. El Nino measures that are strongest in sectors 4 and 3.4 favor colder outcomes in the eastern two-thirds of North America.

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32 minutes ago, JDClapper said:

On this day, I am thankful for being blessed with a 12z GFS long range fantasy run. Now I can eat my turkey with an extra smile in my heart. 😍

Only about 300 hours to go! 🤣

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24 minutes ago, Hassaywx1223 said:

So all I’m reading today is that it’s happening 

 

12 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

From past experience it's definitely not certain yet but I'm starting to like our chances 

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On 11/21/2023 at 9:23 PM, Grace said:

Looking back through every El Nino at the first 20 days of NOV. The closest match is 2009. Not really anything else close.

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That's the closest. I don't put a lot of stock in this but I thought it was interesting nonetheless.

 

 

To build on this. 2009 probably has about as much on common (Strong Nino, -QBO, -PDO, followed a La Nina) as any year although a little bit weaker of an El Nino. 1972 could used & is by some but the progression of the pattern is much closer to 2009 & really doesn't have a lot in common with 1972.

Here's a progression of 2009, Nov through Dec. The one key piece we see is more blocking around Greenland in NOV, 2023 earlier than 2009.

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My point is as good as that winter was there were some pretty crappy periods as well. It really was not until the 2nd half of DEC some hope was brewing. 

So, all in all I think there's a lot of reason for optimism at this point for various reasons. 

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21 hours ago, Grace said:

-NAO right now does not mean we will not get warm. It simply means if jet stays active the warmth will be less warm. But what Eric was saying is that a -NAO in DEC bodes well statistically in El Ninos for stronger -NAO later. 

Also have to start laying some snow down up north, or else any cold will be modified compared to what it could be.

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9 hours ago, Hoosier said:

Also have to start laying some snow down up north, or else any cold will be modified compared to what it could be.

 

It's about normal for El Nino. Upper Midwest normally is below normal. But Canada is good right now. 

 

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Anyone have an EPO forecast?  It's been generally negative over the past month, but it looks to go positive for a little spell at least.  Might be a moisture for cold trade-off at times as the Pacific doors open up.  I know some folks have been awfully dry, so hopefully some help on that end.

  We've been constantly cool, but not wicked cold up here, with just brief warm spells interspersed during the cool -EPO regime.  It's been enough to thicken my skin for working outside this winter.

  Ski areas can at least make snow, and did get a little natural stuff before Turkey Day, just gotta avoid the rain setting them back.

 

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2 hours ago, MaineJay said:

Anyone have an EPO forecast?  It's been generally negative over the past month, but it looks to go positive for a little spell at least.  Might be a moisture for cold trade-off at times as the Pacific doors open up.  I know some folks have been awfully dry, so hopefully some help on that end.

  We've been constantly cool, but not wicked cold up here, with just brief warm spells interspersed during the cool -EPO regime.  It's been enough to thicken my skin for working outside this winter.

  Ski areas can at least make snow, and did get a little natural stuff before Turkey Day, just gotta avoid the rain setting them back.

 

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2 hours ago, MaineJay said:

Anyone have an EPO forecast?  It's been generally negative over the past month, but it looks to go positive for a little spell at least.  Might be a moisture for cold trade-off at times as the Pacific doors open up.  I know some folks have been awfully dry, so hopefully some help on that end.

  We've been constantly cool, but not wicked cold up here, with just brief warm spells interspersed during the cool -EPO regime.  It's been enough to thicken my skin for working outside this winter.

  Ski areas can at least make snow, and did get a little natural stuff before Turkey Day, just gotta avoid the rain setting them back.

 

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