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March 3-4, 2023 | MW/GL Winter Storm


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42 minutes ago, Ohiobuckeye45 said:

I feel like I let myself get excited 24 hours too early, if I could've just held out 1 more day 🤣

Better to be let down 5 days early as opposed to last minute screw jobs...

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10 minutes ago, Ohiobuckeye45 said:

Eps goes north as well, and at sub 985 I'm not convinced it's not done

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Yep and that's why even though EURO op pastes me with near a foot, I am resigned to that not coming to fruition.i think EURO goes more west and GFS will come a little back east. A meet in the middle that leaves me out of the game. 

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winter recon flights tonight.

 

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NOUS42 KNHC 251740
REPRPD
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
1240 PM EST SAT 25 FEBRUARY 2023
SUBJECT: WINTER SEASON PLAN OF THE DAY (WSPOD)
         VALID 26/1100Z TO 27/1100Z FEBRUARY 2023
         WSPOD NUMBER.....22-087

I.  ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
    1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
    2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY.....NEGATIVE.

II. PACIFIC REQUIREMENTS
    1. FLIGHT ONE - TEAL 71
       A. 27/0000Z
       B. AFXXX 28WSE IOP34
       C. 26/1800Z
       D. 25 DROPS APPROXIMATELY 60 NM APART WITHIN AN AREA BOUNDED BY:
          35.0N 125.0W, 35.0N 150.0W, 50.0N 150.0W, AND 50.0N 125.0W
       E. AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE/ 26/2030Z TO 27/0230Z

    2. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK: A USAF RESERVE WC-130J AIRCRAFT MAY
       FLY AN ATMOSPHERIC RIVERS MISSION OVER THE EASTERN PACIFIC
       FOR THE 28/0000Z SYNOPTIC TIME.
    3. ADDITIONAL DAY OUTLOOK: A USAF RESERVE WC-130J AIRCRAFT MAY
       FLY ANOTHER ATMOSPHERIC RIVERS MISSION OVER THE EASTERN PACIFIC
       FOR THE 01/0000Z SYNOPTIC TIME.

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WJM

NNNN

 

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I get the pattern cards aren't stacked in our favor, but I think we're giving up a bit prematurely. I know we in the OV get screwed by the NW shift way too often, but It was just yesterday that some models were showing this as a slider way to the SE off the coast. If we were in the day 5 bullseye, we'd all be taking model runs with a grain of salt...so now that the guidance has shifted north on day 5 we're just going to take it as gospel truth? I think it's wise to at least let tomorrow's storm get out of the picture before writing this one off as yet another warm cutter. Just my $.02

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25 minutes ago, MidMichiganWx said:

Gonna be honest, as much as I like a good snowstorm, I’m ready for spring. Spent a week in SC and got a lot of golfing in. Ready for golf season up here. 

Lol. You live NE of me and spring golf weather most years doesn't arrive till mid to late April. Grass doesn't even turn green or need to be mowed till then.

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25 minutes ago, junior said:

At least we were only teased for a day. Still wouldn't be surprised to see the windshield wiper effect in play. But I've been ready for spring since December. 

Yep yep!

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31 minutes ago, MesoscaleBanding said:

I get the pattern cards aren't stacked in our favor, but I think we're giving up a bit prematurely. I know we in the OV get screwed by the NW shift way too often, but It was just yesterday that some models were showing this as a slider way to the SE off the coast. If we were in the day 5 bullseye, we'd all be taking model runs with a grain of salt...so now that the guidance has shifted north on day 5 we're just going to take it as gospel truth? I think it's wise to at least let tomorrow's storm get out of the picture before writing this one off as yet another warm cutter. Just my $.02

Hope still there for OV. From LOT:

 Later in the week, a vigorous trough and deep closed mid-upper

low is progged to emerge out onto the southern High Plains, then

track east or northeastward across the central/eastern US. Not

unexpectedly this far out, there is a large spectrum of possible

tracks/intensities of this system. It is way too far out to pick

a favored (more likely) solution, but worth noting there are

several solutions that would provide for a meaningful snow in our

region while others miss us to the south. If anything, the trend

this season has been for guidance to trend weaker/farther south at

this distance with these stronger system, but this definitely is

one to keep an eye this week.

 

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2 minutes ago, Cary67 said:

Hope still there for OV. From LOT:

 Later in the week, a vigorous trough and deep closed mid-upper

low is progged to emerge out onto the southern High Plains, then

track east or northeastward across the central/eastern US. Not

unexpectedly this far out, there is a large spectrum of possible

tracks/intensities of this system. It is way too far out to pick

a favored (more likely) solution, but worth noting there are

several solutions that would provide for a meaningful snow in our

region while others miss us to the south. If anything, the trend

this season has been for guidance to trend weaker/farther south at

this distance with these stronger system, but this definitely is

one to keep an eye this week.

 

Truly no lose position for me!  I would love (of course) a late season snow storm that will not hang around long.  If it misses, then continue the path towards grilling out and warmer weather 🙂

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7 minutes ago, Cary67 said:

Hope still there for OV. From LOT:

 Later in the week, a vigorous trough and deep closed mid-upper

low is progged to emerge out onto the southern High Plains, then

track east or northeastward across the central/eastern US. Not

unexpectedly this far out, there is a large spectrum of possible

tracks/intensities of this system. It is way too far out to pick

a favored (more likely) solution, but worth noting there are

several solutions that would provide for a meaningful snow in our

region while others miss us to the south. If anything, the trend

this season has been for guidance to trend weaker/farther south at

this distance with these stronger system, but this definitely is

one to keep an eye this week.

 

Yeah, weaker trend is such a double-edged sword as less cold air gets wrapped in & you're left with a marginal slop-fest. It's been so frustrating for us winter lovers in recent years. We all want a strong, wound-up SLP, but if you don't have a well-placed, strong HP to keep it from cutting, you're screwed. 

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1 minute ago, MesoscaleBanding said:

Yeah, weaker trend is such a double-edged sword as less cold air gets wrapped in & you're left with a marginal slop-fest. It's been so frustrating for us winter lovers in recent years. We all want a strong, wound-up SLP, but if you don't have a well-placed, strong HP to keep it from cutting, you're screwed. 

You nailed it!

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For what it’s worth, Rayno mentioned this storm toward the very end of a video he recorded earlier today. Said he “suspects” the GFS is too far north and is initially leaning toward a more southern track. 
 

 

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