Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted January 12, 2023 Meteorologist Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Iceresistance said: How is this still going strong even when it's embedded like that? 35 minutes ago, Neoncyclone said: The squall catching up to the supercell actually initially enhanced conditions hence why we had a strong tornado for so long, the most memorable example to me being the late night/ early morning of the easter sunday outbreak. That's an extreme example but the same thing is essentially happening. I'd also like to add that the intense mid-level mesocyclone doesn't just go away as a squall consumes it. Sometimes when a supercell is taken by a squall, the excess vorticity can create a MCV within the squall or it can re-establish itself as a dominant supercell within the squall. The latter is clearly the case here as the same supercell has another tornado on the ground. It's typically good news when a discrete/semi-discrete supercell is overtaken by a squall because it's likely the tornado will be disrupted at least for a bit... but it can re-emerge. Edited January 12, 2023 by ClicheVortex2014 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoncyclone Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: I'd also like to add that the intense mid-level mesocyclone doesn't just go away as a squall consumes it. Sometimes when a supercell is taken by a squall, the excess vorticity can create a MCV within the squall or it can re-establish itself as a dominant supercell within the squall. The latter is clearly the case here as the same supercell has another tornado on the ground. Sure did, incredible dynamics and kinematics at play today. There's an embedded supercell just to the south of the current PDS warning quickly organizing as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Neoncyclone said: Sure did, incredible dynamics and kinematics at play today. There's an embedded supercell just to the south of the current PDS warning quickly organizing as well It already has a more intense velocity couplet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoncyclone Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Seems like every time i check back on the radar there's a debris ball, this is the southern embedded supercell i just mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Neoncyclone said: Seems like every time i check back on the radar there's a debris ball, this is the southern embedded supercell i just mentioned. NWS now has it on the ground in the new warning, that escalated very quickly! Edited January 12, 2023 by Iceresistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 All of the cameras in LaGrange, GA are not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted January 12, 2023 Meteorologist Share Posted January 12, 2023 I was already thinking that this reminds me of 2016-17 because of California getting drenched in a La Nina, now this is the second tornado outbreak of January... just like January 2017. 2017 was extremely active through the first half of April, then died off. That was a transition year from Nina to Nino, just like this year, though 2017's Nina died earlier than usual. Gonna be interesting to see if we continue to follow 2017. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted January 12, 2023 Meteorologist Share Posted January 12, 2023 Beast of a rotation completely embedded. If there's a tornado there's no shot of seeing it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 Storm heading into Griffin upgraded to PDS, monster debris ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted January 12, 2023 Meteorologist Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) Extremely complex situation. Outflow is roaring but there very well could be multiple tornadoes in this frame. Even have a tornado southeast of the monster meso. Seems completely random. Edited January 12, 2023 by ClicheVortex2014 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 Looks like another debris ball east of the other one now, wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted January 12, 2023 Meteorologist Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) Sounding for Atlanta before the tornadoes in the area. Very strong shear, especially if there was localized surface backing which I bet there was. That little layer of very steep lapse rates from 850mb to almost 700mb is key. I've seen that with other cool season soundings that preceded a strong tornado. That's important for getting robust updrafts in what seems like a profile with marginal cape. The fact that the AL/GA supercell showed a persistent BWER must've helped offices feel confident about their warnings because we already knew the kind of shear present. The unknown variable in cool season outbreaks is how much instability is available for strong updrafts on a more local scale, but that BWER was telling viewers that there was a strong updraft ongoing. So that solved the instability question. You definitely don't see BWERs often in the cool season. Edited January 12, 2023 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Confirmed tornado near Cedar Creek GA. Quote BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED Tornado Warning National Weather Service Peachtree City GA 706 PM EST Thu Jan 12 2023 The National Weather Service in Peachtree City has issued a * Tornado Warning for... West central Dodge County in central Georgia... Southeastern Pulaski County in central Georgia... North central Wilcox County in central Georgia... * Until 730 PM EST. * At 706 PM EST, a tornado producing storm was located over Cedar Creek, or 8 miles northwest of Abbeville, moving northeast at 25 mph. HAZARD...Damaging tornado. SOURCE...Radar confirmed tornado. IMPACT...Flying debris will be dangerous to those caught without shelter. Mobile homes will be damaged or destroyed. Damage to roofs, windows, and vehicles will occur. Tree damage is likely. * Locations impacted include... Eastman, Union, Godwinsville and Cedar Creek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted January 13, 2023 Meteorologist Share Posted January 13, 2023 Wikipedia page for today. 5 tornadoes confirmed in Kentucky, 1 in Mississippi, 1 in Alabama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_outbreak_of_January_12,_2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted January 13, 2023 Meteorologist Share Posted January 13, 2023 45 end of the day tornado reports. Crazy outbreak for January 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) What a nasty day. I was gone after 2:00PM, so I had been watching the tornado on radar, northeast of Selma, at Deatsville, when I had to go. I missed a few hours of tracking storms. Never would have thought that "a few hours of tracking storms" would apply to November, December, and January of the same winter. Here are some of the rotation tracks I missed Edited January 13, 2023 by Chinook 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 6 have died to the Selma-Alexander City, AL tornado 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted January 13, 2023 Meteorologist Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 The tornado that struck Selma and barely missed Alexander City may have been on the ground for over 165 miles! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) Griffin, GA Tornado currently EF-3 Alabama super-long tracker rated EF3+, Selma itself is EF2+, but likely will be part of that super long tracker. Edited January 13, 2023 by Iceresistance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted January 13, 2023 Meteorologist Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Iceresistance said: Griffin, GA Tornado currently EF-3 Alabama super-long tracker rated EF3+, Selma itself is EF2+, but likely will be part of that super long tracker. I doubt they're gonna find that the Selma tornado didn't pick up after hitting town. Here you can see a likely cycle beginning (1823z)... you can see the Selma tornado is likely still ongoing east of Selma. Just east of it is the new rotation Cycling (1825z)... Selma tornado can still be barely made out, but it's dwarfed compared to the new rotation. Still questionable as to whether a tornado was on the ground at 1838z. There's broad rotation but nothing tight. It wasn't until 1844z that it became convincing a tornado was likely on the ground. This was prior to the rapid intensification. A persistent tornado signature/debris signature stayed from 1844z to 1945z. They might find the tornado went past 1945z, perhaps until 1958z, but the tornado and debris signature went away after that. The forward speed of 45-55 mph, so it was long-tracked--probably the second one produced by the same supercell--but I think there was a cycle after Selma. We shall see Edited January 13, 2023 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 I'm going to say a high-end EF-4, cars were TOSSED! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted January 14, 2023 Meteorologist Share Posted January 14, 2023 23 hours ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: 45 end of the day tornado reports. Crazy outbreak for January 24 hours post-outbreak... tornado reports jumped by 10. Probably gonna take BMX at least a couple more days to conclude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted January 14, 2023 Meteorologist Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) BMX actually just posted an update 10 minutes ago. Selma tornado has been rated high-end EF2. They determined it weakened/lifted shortly after hitting Selma. Public Information Statement National Weather Service Birmingham AL 944 PM CST Fri Jan 13 2023 ...NWS Damage Survey for 01/12/2023 Tornado Event Update #5... .Update...4 Additional Tornado Path Updates: 1. An EF2 tornado has been confirmed in Sumter County, near Emelle. 2. An EF1 tornado has been confirmed in Green County, near Eutaw. That survey will continue tomorrow as the tornado could have continued into Hale, Tuscaloosa, and Bibb Counties. We`ll determine if it was one continuous damage path, or separate tornadoes. 3. An EF2 tornado has been confirmed in Hale and Perry Counties, most notable damage was near Greensboro. 4. An EF1 tornado has been confirmed in Perry and Bibb Counties. This is a separate tornado path downstream from the Greensboro tornado. Survey efforts will continue across many areas in Central Alabama tomorrow. Areas include Hale, Tuscaloosa, Bibb, Autauga, Elmore, Tallapoosa, Coosa, and Chambers Counties. Any results or information from those surveys will be shared as it becomes available. These survey efforts will continue beyond tomorrow, most likely. .Overview...Numerous strong to severe thunderstorms impacted Central Alabama during the morning and afternoon hours of Thursday January 12th, 2023. Several supercell thunderstorms spawned significant tornadoes which caused paths of damage over several areas. Some damage paths contain significant damage. Thunderstorms also produced damaging straight-line winds over many areas, as well as hail up to golf ball size. .Tornado #1 Delmar Tornado (Winston County)... Rating: EF2 Estimated Peak Wind: 125 mph Path Length /statute/: 9.18 miles Path Width /maximum/: 425 yards Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0 Start Date: 01/12/2023 Start Time: 08:05 AM CST Start Location: 1 E Delmar / Winston County / AL Start Lat/Lon: 34.1658 / -87.5864 End Date: 01/12/2023 End Time: 08:18 AM CST End Location: 3 SE Ashridge / Winston County / AL End Lat/Lon: 34.204 / -87.4334 Survey Summary: The tornado touched down east of Delmar near County Rd 20 where timber damage was observed in addition to minor structural damage. The tornado continued northeast into a heavily wooded area near Tanyard Creek then crossing County Rd 28 where trees were uprooted. The width here was approximately 150 yards wide. The tornado continued northeast into additional heavily wooded areas near Clear Creek then impacting a residence on County Rd 432 uprooting and snapping trees, causing structural damage, and overturning an RV. The tornado continued to grow in width as it moved northeast, approximately 425 yards wide as it crossed Macedonia Rd. The tornado continued to cause additional timber damage in a heavily wooded area before it impacted a farm near County Rd 55 and 3182. Here the highest degree of damage occurred as two large chicken coops were completely destroyed in addition to 3 other small farm buildings. Nearby structural damage occurred to at least 4 residences. Adjacent timber damage also occurred. The tornado continued east-northeast toward Highway 195 where it dissipated before crossing County Rd 6. Around 25 structures were damaged due to the tornado. NWS Birmingham would like to thank Darone and Mike (NWS Memphis) and Alabama Law Enforcement Agency (ALEA) for their assistance with this survey. .Tornado #2 Emelle Tornado (Sumter County)... Rating: EF2 Estimated Peak Wind: 120 mph Path Length /statute/: 12.87 miles Path Width /maximum/: 440 yards Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0 Start Date: 01/12/2023 Start Time: 09:24 AM CST Start Location: 2 W Emelle / Sumter County / AL Start Lat/Lon: 32.7288 / -88.3463 End Date: 01/12/2023 End Time: 09:40 AM CST End Location: 3 SSE Gainesville / Sumter County / AL End Lat/Lon: 32.7715 / -88.1314 Survey Summary: This tornado began near Sumter 24 uprooting trees. The tornado continued east-northeast along Sumter 24 where it destroyed a grain bin near Ramsey Lane along with snapping and uprooting a few more softwood trees. The tornado moved through Emelle where it caused damage to roofs in the community along with uprooting and snapping numerous trees. The tornado crossed Highway 74 and took the roof off of a home and destroyed an outbuilding near the intersection of Highway 74 and Sunlight Church Road. The tornado was at it`s strongest intensity at this point with a max wind of 120 mph. The tornado crossed Highway 39 and destroyed a mobile home on Hodges Place Road. The tornado ended just east of Sumter 21 uprooting and snapping a few more trees along the way. NWS Birmingham would like to thank Dan (NWS Jackson) for the assistance with this survey. .Tornado #3 Eutaw Tornado (Greene County)... Rating: EF1 Estimated Peak Wind: 110 mph Path Length /statute/: TBD Path Width /maximum/: 425 yards Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0 Start Date: 01/12/2023 Start Time: 09:54 AM CST Start Location: 1 W Eutaw / Greene County / AL Start Lat/Lon: 32.842 / -87.9158 End Date: TBD End Time: TBD End Location: TBD End Lat/Lon: TBD Survey Summary: This tornado began just west of West End Avenue and moved across West End Avenue where it destroyed a shed, caused roof damage, snapped and uprooted trees. The tornado continued to move into the northern portions of Eutaw where it snapped and uprooted numerous trees along with minor roof damage to several homes. Trees also fell on at least 2 homes causing significant damage to the homes. A rooftop observation deck was taken off of one home and thrown across the street off of Ashby Drive. The tornado continued east- northeast toward Highway 11 snapping and uprooting several trees along the way. Additional survey work will continue on this track to determine if the tornado continued into Hale, Tuscaloosa, and Bibb Counties as a continuous or separate track. .Tornado #4 Greensboro Tornado (Hale and Perry Counties)... Rating: EF2 Estimated Peak Wind: 115 mph Path Length /statute/: 21.22 miles Path Width /maximum/: 500 yards Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0 Start Date: 01/12/2023 Start Time: 10:47 AM CST Start Location: 2 S Duffys Bend / Hale County / AL Start Lat/Lon: 32.6221 / -87.7543 End Date: 01/12/2023 End Time: 11:15 AM CST End Location: Morgan Springs / Perry County / AL End Lat/Lon: 32.7394 / -87.4184 Survey Summary: The tornado touched down in a remote area of Hale County, near Clements Bend on the Black Warrior River. From there, it moved east-northeast across CR-35, where downed numerous trees on a farm near the State Cattle Ranch. From there, it continued to snap and uproot numerous trees in a largely rural area, before causing considerable damage to the roof of a house along AL-69. The tornado grew to EF-2 strength as it approached the southern part of the city Of Greensboro. At AL-25, it snapped and uprooted numerous trees, rolled and destroyed a single-wide manufactured home, and caused lighter damage to several other structures. The remaining damage along the path was mostly to timber, including along AL-61 just southeast of Greensboro, and AL-14 just east of the city. The tornado then weakened to high EF-0 to low EF- 1 strength as it moved into Perry County near Griffin Cemetery Road, and ultimately dissipated after snapping off its final few trees on Morgan Springs Road. .Tornado #5 Fire Tower Road Tornado (Perry and Bibb Counties)... Rating: EF1 Estimated Peak Wind: 104 mph Path Length /statute/: 9.66 miles Path Width /maximum/: 500 yards Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0 Start Date: 01/12/2023 Start Time: 11:30 AM CST Start Location: 1 E Ellards / Perry County / AL Start Lat/Lon: 32.8096 / -87.2363 End Date: 01/12/2023 End Time: 11:41 AM CST End Location: 4 SW Trio / Bibb County / AL End Lat/Lon: 32.8668 / -87.085 Survey Summary: The tornado began near the Cahaba River west of National Forest Road 401D (NF-401D) and Barton Road based on radar estimation of a TDS. It developed quickly into a high end EF-0 by the time it brushed Double Branch Rd as it moved east-northeasterly over the forest. As it crossed Fire Tower Road, it reached maximum EF- 1 intensity of 104 mph based on scores of snapped and uprooted pine trees right on the ridge. The tornado continued over forested land before crossing Pawtucky Road, where several pines and hardwoods were snapped. The tornado then began to weaken as it approached and crossed Alabama Highway 219 north of the Bibb/Perry county line. The tornado weakened rapidly as it crossed Roy Martin Rd, and dissipated shortly thereafter. .Tornado #6 Selma Tornado (Dallas County)... Rating: EF2 Estimated Peak Wind: 130 mph Path Length /statute/: 23.60 miles Path Width /maximum/: 800 yards Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 2 Start Date: 01/12/2023 Start Time: 12:02 PM CST Start Location: Orrville / Dallas County / AL Start Lat/Lon: 32.3074 / -87.2384 End Date: 01/12/2023 End Time: 12:30 PM CST End Location: 1 SE Burnsville / Dallas County / AL End Lat/Lon: 32.4553 / -86.8788 Survey Summary: National Weather Surveys have concluded that the damage across Dallas County was consistent with a high-end EF-2 tornado. The tornado began just east of Orrville near the intersection of Hwy 22 and Cahaba Rd. As it moved northeast, it intensified as the damage path was nearly parallel with Hwy 22. The damage consisted of mainly uprooted trees with trunks that were snapped. There were also several manufactured homes that sustained roof and some foundation damage. As the tornado continued down Hwy 22, additional tree damage was observed as it neared the southwestern sections of Selma. The tornado quickly intensified as it entered the city limits of Selma, nearly parallel to Hwy 22/W Dallas Ave. the main damage indicators used were the uprooted hardwood trees and the snapped softwood trees. Most of the softwood trees were snapped about halfway up on the trunks. The daycare on W Dallas Ave and Cooper Dr sustained heavy exterior wall damage and was consistent with the higher-end EF2 wind speeds. Some debris rowing was also noted in the downstream vicinity. The second area of higher-end EF2 damage was noted downstream at the Selma Country Club where buildings had significant roof and exterior wall damage and there was a complete blow down of extremely large hardwood trees. Additional softwood trees were also snapped in and around adjacent streets. As the tornado continued further north and east, it entered the northern sections of downtown Selma. Nearly all of the damage continued to consist of mainly trees, with hard and softwood trees uprooted. The homes that sustained damage were observed to have roof material missing or fallen trees that impacted the structure. Very little damage observed to homes was directly wind related likely due to the sheltering nature of the very large and older trees that were embedded within the historic neighborhoods. However, the tree fall damage remained consistent with high-end EF-1 or low end EF-2. As the tornado exited downtown, it crossed Hwy 14, east of Selma, crossing Parkway Dr. Additional structure damage was noted with exterior walls the were collapsed consistent once again with higher EF-2 wind speeds. The tornado finally began to weaken and lift just east near the Brantley community near River Rd, but not before some significant damage was observed at the Dallas County Jail on Selfield Rd. In the coming days, additional UAS and aerial imagery will be analyzed as numerous roads in the Selma area were inaccessible. This could result in changes to the path length, width and/or EF rating. .Tornado #7 Teals Crossroads Tornado (Barbour County)... Rating: EF1 Estimated Peak Wind: 105 mph Path Length /statute/: 10.96 miles Path Width /maximum/: 900 yards Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0 Start Date: 01/12/2023 Start Time: 03:25 PM CST Start Location: 1 S Doster / Barbour County / AL Start Lat/Lon: 31.6251 / -85.6726 End Date: 01/12/2023 End Time: 03:38 PM CST End Location: 1 E Blue Springs State Park / Barbour County / AL End Lat/Lon: 31.6616 / -85.4934 Survey Summary: The tornado initially touched down near Bethel on Sutton Dairy Rd Causing timber damage near Buck Branch. The tornado continued northeast into a heavily wooded area and caused continued timber damage near Dewey Ivey Rd, snapping numerous pines. Additional damage downstream occurred near farm structures near Huey Faulk Rd. A home sustained damage due to a fallen tree on County Rd 15. The tornado continued northeast towards Teals Crossroads where additional timber damage occurred near Roberts Rd. Some minor structural damage was observed. The tornado continued east- northeast crossing County Rd 33 and Turner Rd before dissipating near Highway 10. NWS Birmingham would like to thank Molly and Karleisa (NWS Tallahassee) for their assistance with this damage survey. && EF Scale: The Enhanced Fujita Scale classifies tornadoes into the following categories: EF0...Weak......65 to 85 mph EF1...Weak......86 to 110 mph EF2...Strong....111 to 135 mph EF3...Strong....136 to 165 mph EF4...Violent...166 to 200 mph EF5...Violent...>200 mph Edited January 14, 2023 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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