RobB Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, Central Illinois said: that was easily one of the best storms of my life when I lived in Columbus Closest I was to a heart attack, shoveling that! 😮 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Central Illinois Posted December 19, 2022 Moderators Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, RobB said: Closest I was to a heart attack, shoveling that! 😮 Ya it was insane...If I remember right I was without power for a few days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradjl2009 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Central Illinois said: that was easily one of the best storms of my life when I lived in Columbus Even though I ended up with above normal snowfall for that winter, it was pretty cruddy missing out on that and getting screwed with sleet during the Big East Coast storm the next month in January of 2005. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist Ingyball Posted December 19, 2022 Meteorologist Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hiramite said: Thanks! While you're here, do you know the status of this product? IMO it doesn't seem to be representing this storm correctly or is it too early for this event? https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/wwd/wssi/prob_wssi.php it's a little early so likely just low confidence right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow____ Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, NWsnowhio said: For what it's worth: But didn’t they just say…. nvm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWOhioChaser Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 56 minutes ago, ryanmkay said: Just have to laugh. Look at the circle right over Toledo. It never fails. At least were trending in the right direction. The hole over Toledo shows up quite often these days. I suspect it’s like an urban heat island effect or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easton229 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Wonder if NAM will start to come back east some as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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junior Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 minute ago, easton229 said: Wonder if NAM will start to come back east some as well. I just want to see the 3k NAM shenanigans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snow____ Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, Ohiobuckeye45 said: Trying to find a lone member in the apps…. Don’t see one 😂😂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snow____ Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, junior said: I just want to see the 3k NAM shenanigans That goes out to 60hrs right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben89 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Bradjl2009 said: The Canadian and the GFS so far this morning have been promising IMO. Not as doomed as I was feeling when I went to bed last night. I've seen comparisons to the Blizzard of 1978. I had to look it up, but Pittsburgh received around 10 inches back then, so maybe they're on to something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, Snow____ said: That goes out to 60hrs right? Yea so may not see it till tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobuckeye45 Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, Snow____ said: Trying to find a lone member in the apps…. Don’t see one 😂😂 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben89 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, Ohiobuckeye45 said: That 983 L right over my house, lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow____ Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Ohiobuckeye45 said: That’s all I needed to keep a bit of hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobuckeye45 Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 I would presume these are the ultra slow solutions/ones where the digging was that that aloud the trough to move east 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWOhioChaser Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, Snow____ said: But didn’t they just say…. nvm Michael will say anything to shut the haters up. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIWeather Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, Snow____ said: But didn’t they just say…. nvm There's a reason I have never even once considered paying for their service 😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 There are a lot of members that trended SE of OP. Some of the best ensembles for my area & much of OV that we've had yet. That is of note for sure. Here's a few that end up really good for several of us. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MesoscaleBanding Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ohiobuckeye45 said: I'll take the 983mb over Zanesville, OH - please & thank you 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Hiramite Posted December 19, 2022 Moderators Share Posted December 19, 2022 With discussion of both wrap-around/backside snows and the Blizzard of '78, here's some food for thought. The storm passed over Cleveland as a 958mb low traveling slightly east of due north. Youngstown is 60 miles ESE of Cleveland and recorded just 3.7" of snow the day of and the day after the storm. Granted every storm is and will always be different, but getting significant snow from a storm passing to ones west is a difficult proposition. Y-town weather records.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlizzardOf1978 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 000 FXUS63 KIND 191931 AFDIND Area Forecast Discussion National Weather Service Indianapolis IN 231 PM EST Mon Dec 19 2022 Long Term...(Tuesday night through Monday) Issued at 228 PM EST Mon Dec 19 2022 Thursday through Saturday (Impactful Winter Storm)... ************************ Highlights: ************************ * Slight southeastern shift in expected track of the low * High confidence in dangerously cold wind chills and high winds * Ptype initially rain before transitioning to snow Thursday night Areas of higher confidence: * Period of high winds (40-55 mph) Thursday night through Friday * Extremely cold this weekend with temperatures near or below zero * Dangerous wind chills to -20F to -30F Friday into Saturday * Periods of light snow showers through late Saturday Areas of lower confidence: * Exact low track and where areas of heavy snowfall will fall * Snowfall amounts remain very uncertain at the moment, higher confidence in accumulating snow towards Lafayette * Timing of the temperature shift ************************* Synoptic Pattern and Conceptual Model: ************************* No major changes in our thoughts on the synoptic pattern with much of the previous discussion below: The overall synoptic pattern is fairly typical of an impactful Midwestern winter storm. A very strong northwesterly upper level jet, upstream of a trough will create strong negative height tendency over the Intermountain West and Great Plains. The trough will slowly become negatively tilted as the maximum vorticity advection pushes downstream of the trough. Meanwhile, intense CAA will simultaneously support upper level trough development. Near the surface, the aforementioned CAA, and weaker WAA over the Mississippi Valley will lead to an increasing pressure gradient. This coupled with upper level diffluence will allow surface cyclogenesis. Current thoughts are for cyclogenesis to occur over the Ozarks, with a NE progression following the CVA and diffluence maximum. Later in its life cycle, the polar jet will wrap around the trough, creating peak levels of diffluence. This in combination with a strong baroclinicity will create an efficient environment for surface pressure depletion with a MSLP at 980mb or lower over the Great Lakes region late this week. What makes this set-up quite anomalous is the significant temperature gradient between the cold and warm sector, aiding in the dynamic progression of the low. This general idea has become more consistent amongst both deterministic and ensemble member solutions. There is still plenty of variability on low track, of which should improve as the cold air mass and parent trough are better sampled through observations. ********************************** Ensemble and Probabilistic Output: ********************************** 12Z model ensembles have remained comparatively consistent with recent runs, but the deterministic GFS appears to be an outlier with how far southeast the surface low is displaced from the ensemble cluster. This southeastern shift with the deterministic run is leading to a return in the higher snowfall forecast from the model with the warm air aloft and lake enhanced moisture over the northwestern counties vs NE Ohio. Leaned the forecast closer to the ensemble mean to account for this difference between ensembles and deterministic forecast. Will continue to monitor the ensemble trends going forward and may have to adjust the snowfall totals accordingly. Confidence continues to remain high on both extremely cold temperatures and high winds in the wake of the low both Friday and Saturday. Nearly all ensemble members have at least 20MPH sustained winds on Friday, with most having gusts of at least 40MPH at times. The extent of cold air will be influenced by any potential snow pack, but lows at least in the low single digits look likely for Saturday morning. The combination of wind and cold will lead to dangerous wind chills, the coldest being Friday night near or below - 20. Any snow that falls Thursday night will also blow around during the daytime hours on Friday leading to additional lowered visibilities and hazardous travel conditions. As the system occludes, moisture will wrap around the low. This can be seen by an increase of snow probabilities Friday and Friday night. Any snow that does fall will likely have significant drifting leading to even further travel difficulties. Snowfall totals range significantly as ensemble members struggle to understand the low progression and evolution. The range of outcomes for snowfall still range from marginal to highly impactful. There also is the potential for a flash freeze as temperatures crash up to 30 degrees in a matter of hours Thursday night. **************************************** Conclusion: **************************************** A deep low pressure system is expected to progress through the Great Lakes region Thursday through Saturday. This will provide widespread precipitation over central Indiana late Thursday through Friday night. Initially, p-type is likely to be rain, but by late Thursday night into Friday central Indiana will be well below freezing with any precipitation falling as snow. The transition is expected to be quick from rain to snow, but could see a brief period of sleet during the transition. Despite uncertainties regarding the potential winter storm Thursday into Friday, there are a few areas where forecast confidence is very high. No matter the track of the upcoming storm system, confidence remains very high that some of the coldest air of the year will arrive by the holiday weekend with temperatures potentially falling below zero! Any snowpack will further allow temperatures to plummet into the negatives and possibly into record territory. Along with the cold air will likely be dangerously cold wind chill with values possibly below -20F. High winds and/or snow could also lead to power outages further enhancing the potential risks. Take precautions now to prepare for the upcoming cold weather this holiday weekend. Regarding headlines; after collaboration with neighbors, have decided against a Winter Storm Watch or Wind Chill Watch with the uncertainty as to where the delineation would be for the areas of higher snow vs the cold. Will continue the Special Weather Statement highlighting all 3 threats and will reevaluate tonight. Sunday to Monday. Flurries will generally begin to come to an end Sunday into Monday with continued colder conditions in the aftermath of the significant late week system. Temperatures will begin to moderate going into Monday as the CAA near the surface and aloft comes to an end but will have to keep an eye on the next system that will arrive early next week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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