snowlover2 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 0z FV3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) The FV3 favors some discrete storms with updraft helicity tracks in central OH. Edited August 1, 2022 by Chinook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted August 1, 2022 Good to see the models being all over the place. That's fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cincysnow Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 2 hours ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: If the quality of radars we have on Radarscope is indeed the best quality they have in Canada, I'd imagine they're gonna be much more liberal on tornado warnings than the US. I'd imagine it doesn't take much more than a hook echo to issue a tornado warning for them... like what we did in the 60s-80s. Wild that they don't have at least better quality radars. Obviously, it's not like they don't have a dangerous tornado season. 1 hour ago, Neoncyclone said: Yeah I always thought the same thing, I figured that was why they make such large warning boxes too. Not sure how far along in the “upgrade” process they are, but i did find this (and CV may be able to elaborate on the type(s) of radars they are upgrading to). https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/weather-general-tools-resources/radar-overview/modernizing-network.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Cincysnow said: Not sure how far along in the “upgrade” process they are, but i did find this (and CV may be able to elaborate on the type(s) of radars they are upgrading to). https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/weather-general-tools-resources/radar-overview/modernizing-network.html I thought Environment Canada had WSR-98D, that is, ten years of technology improvement between 1988 vs 1998. Maybe the Dual-pol, super-resolution, and SAILs makes the US ones better. Quote The National Weather Service in the Twin Cities has issued a * Tornado Warning for... North central Pierce County in west central Wisconsin... Southwestern St. Croix County in west central Wisconsin... * Until 945 PM CDT. * At 923 PM CDT, a severe thunderstorm capable of producing a tornado was located near River Falls, moving east at 30 mph. HAZARD...Tornado. SOURCE...Radar indicated rotation. Edited August 1, 2022 by Chinook 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Cincysnow said: Not sure how far along in the “upgrade” process they are, but i did find this (and CV may be able to elaborate on the type(s) of radars they are upgrading to). https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/weather-general-tools-resources/radar-overview/modernizing-network.html Thanks for the digging— I just checked the radar they mentioned they already upgraded and this is what it looks like. I’ve never seen a US radar look like this. Especially the velocity. I took a radar class and the logic applied to US radars doesn’t apply to Canadian radars. The faster the scan, the lower the range because the amount of time before another beam goes out is less. That’s what TDWRs, like CVG, are updated almost every minute but really don’t reach that far but have high quality. They're an airport so they only care about what's happening in the area of takeoff in the near-term. A longer scan has longer reach but, since the beam is tilted, quality decreases with distance so it's basically useless after a certain point because you're looking 1-2+ miles above ground. Canadian radars reach quite a far way out, but the quality of the reflectivity/velocity doesn’t really lessen with distance. Looks as crappy 2 miles from the radar as 6 miles. Only thing I can think of is that their reflectivity is actually composite reflectivity… I.e., combining multiple radar sites. Even then, their radars don’t seem to be on par with US radars. US radars, KILN or KOUN for example, exclusively rely on the beam emitted from the respective radar site. That would allow for high quality near the radar and faded quality further away. As I said earlier, you don't really see that with Canadian radars. Edited August 1, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Some of the CAMs from tonight have more thunderstorms from Cincinnati to Louisville. There may be some substantial 0-3km SRH with the 850mb winds at 30kt in some of the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Chinook said: Some of the CAMs from tonight have more thunderstorms from Cincinnati to Louisville. There may be some substantial 0-3km SRH with the 850mb winds at 30kt in some of the region. When did you move to Ohio and which part are you in? Edited August 1, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) Latest HRRR brings storms around Noon. Possible MCS. Plenty of time to recover. Edited August 1, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoncyclone Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Overnight MCS looks pretty healthy this morning in central Illinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWOhioChaser Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Would be nice to get a couple of these pop up storms some models are showing up this way. Mostly overcast this morning which is nice for a change. Will help keep temps down. But gosh I'm storm starved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoncyclone Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) Might be one hell of a stretch but I think there may have been a very brief spin-up tornado on what looks like an embedded supercell in the MCS, only a couple miles from me too. @ClicheVortex2014What do you think, definitely looks like there could have been something, velocity is kinda meh. (sidenote if there was a tornado it likely went through completely unpopulated areas, fields more or less.) Edited August 1, 2022 by Neoncyclone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradjl2009 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 13 hours ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: If the quality of radars we have on Radarscope is indeed the best quality they have in Canada, I'd imagine they're gonna be much more liberal on tornado warnings than the US. I'd imagine it doesn't take much more than a hook echo to issue a tornado warning for them... like what we did in the 60s-80s. Wild that they don't have at least better quality radars. Obviously, it's not like they don't have a dangerous tornado season. Yeah, the NWS overall is of much higher quality with weather forecasting, site layout, and data than Environment Canada is IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxfordOh_ Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Looks like the line thats about to come through my area might pack a punch. Wasn’t expecting it to be severe warned this early! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Guess we’ll have to see how much we destabilize now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Looks like the slight risk was trimmed on the north side taking Dayton out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, snowlover2 said: Guess we’ll have to see how much we destabilize now. Looks to me like the issue isn't destabilizing, but rather the storms will develop to our south. Flash flooding back in the picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted August 1, 2022 I'm actually still in the slight risk. I'm at the extreme northern point. If I drive a mile north I wouldn't be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxfordOh_ Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 One of the weather pages I follow posted this latest model while it certainly doesn’t mean it will happen the threat of flash flooding is there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted August 1, 2022 This is really cool. You can see the outflow boundary in Kentucky quickly mix out and southerly flow immediately takes over. Meanwhile, a clear MCV in central Ohio. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWOhioChaser Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) Unless something happens with this, then I'm calling for us to here. Just starting to clear out here. As cliche showed, much better chance in SW Ohio. As its always been with this threat. Edited August 1, 2022 by NWOhioChaser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted August 1, 2022 Interesting tornadic cell in the Michigan thumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted August 1, 2022 Possible weak supercell approaching Athens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWOhioChaser Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Swing and a miss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) Hrrr hinting at the possibility for storms tomorrow over my are. Hmmm Edited August 1, 2022 by StormfanaticInd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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