snowlover2 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Quote Day 2 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 0100 AM CDT Mon Jul 04 2022 Valid 051200Z - 061200Z ...THERE IS A SLIGHT RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS PARTS OF THE NORTHERN/CENTRAL PLAINS INTO THE MIDWEST...OHIO VALLEY...AND MID-ATLANTIC... ...SUMMARY... Isolated to scattered severe thunderstorms should occur Tuesday across parts of the northern/central Plains into the Midwest, Ohio Valley, and Mid-Atlantic. Large hail and damaging winds appear to be the main threats. ...Lower Great Lakes into the Ohio Valley and Mid-Atlantic... A complex and messy forecast scenario is apparent across these regions on Tuesday. A loosely organized cluster of thunderstorms may be ongoing at the start of the period Tuesday morning across parts of the Midwest/Ohio Valley. This activity should be associated with a weak mid-level shortwave trough that is forecast to progress eastward across the OH Valley into the Mid-Atlantic through the day. It remains unclear whether the morning convection will restrengthen as it crosses the Appalachians and reaches the coastal Mid-Atlantic by late Tuesday afternoon. Regardless, most guidance suggests that moderate instability will develop downstream through the day as diurnal heating occurs and low-level moisture returns northward. Enhanced mid-level flow should also be present to foster around 30-40+ kt of deep-layer shear, which will support organized updrafts. Any convection that can develop in this regime will have the potential to become severe and pose a threat for both damaging winds and hail. Confidence remains fairly low in the details of convective evolution and placement through Tuesday night. Still, some guidance shows one or more bowing clusters strengthening across parts of MD/VA by late Tuesday afternoon. Convective potential in the wake of the morning thunderstorms across the OH Valley also remains unclear. Regardless, moderate to strong instability should develop along/south of a front across Lower MI and vicinity by peak afternoon heating. If robust convection can develop across this region, it would pose a threat for mainly damaging winds and large hail. Some guidance suggests a threat for one or more bowing clusters across the OH Valley Tuesday evening/night. Have accordingly expanded the Slight Risk for hail/wind to encompass more of the OH Valley into southern Lower MI. ...Northern/Central Plains into the Midwest... There may be a small cluster of mainly elevated thunderstorms ongoing Tuesday morning across parts of the northern Plains. There is some chance that this convection will persist as it develops southeastward across SD and vicinity through Tuesday morning. If this activity can reach greater instability along/south of a front across eastern SD into southern MN, it would pose a greater threat for severe/damaging winds Tuesday afternoon/evening as it spreads east-southeastward across the Midwest. Additional thunderstorms may form along/near the front across southern MN/northern IA into southern WI/northern IL. Large-scale ascent appears nebulous at best across these areas, but strong to very strong instability and sufficiently strong deep-layer shear will support robust/severe convection with any thunderstorms that can form or move into this region. Have therefore increased severe hail/wind probabilities across this Midwest to account for this potential. Otherwise, yet another day of active thunderstorm development is forecast across the northern Rockies into the northern/central Plains. An upper ridge will remain prominent over much of the Plains, but multiple low-amplitude mid-level perturbations should spread east-northeastward across these regions through the period. Initially high-based convection over the higher terrain should eventually reach greater instability over the adjacent northern High Plains by late Tuesday afternoon. Isolated to scattered supercells capable of producing both large hail and severe winds gusts may occur as deep-layer shear of 40-50+ kt is forecast. Some clustering of convection may also occur, particularly near a front that should be draped over parts of southern SD into NE. ..Gleason.. 07/04/2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted July 4, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, snowlover2 said: Roughly 1/7th of the US population in the slight risk. That's pretty significant, yet it's still way disproportionate to the amount of land covered. Edited July 4, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted July 4, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: Mini-supercell in Nebraska with a debris signature Accurate Edited July 4, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Aberdeen NWS had me for “amounts generally under one tenth of an inch with higher amounts possible under isolated thunderstorms.” 2.93” in about an hour and a half…. Oh and a mesonet 1 mile away recorded a 77mph gust with it but no warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWOhioChaser Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 I'm liking Northern Ohios chances for tomorrow. Today's high of 95 will be the hottest 4th of July here in like 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Fairly large day 3 slight risk area too. Quote Day 3 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 0230 AM CDT Mon Jul 04 2022 Valid 061200Z - 071200Z ...THERE IS A SLIGHT RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS PARTS OF THE NORTHERN PLAINS...AND THE MIDWEST INTO THE OHIO VALLEY AND CAROLINAS... ...SUMMARY... Isolated to scattered severe thunderstorms may occur Wednesday from parts of the northern Rockies/Plains into the Midwest, Ohio Valley, and Mid-Atlantic. ...Midwest into the Ohio Valley and Mid-Atlantic... Some thunderstorms may be ongoing Wednesday morning across a portion of the Midwest. It remains unclear whether they will persist with eastward extent into the afternoon. A nearly stationary front across the Midwest into the OH Valley should provide a focus for severe convection on Wednesday. As diurnal heating occurs, strong instability should develop along/south of the boundary by Wednesday afternoon, with sufficient deep-layer shear for organized convection. One or more bowing clusters may move east-southeastward across this favorable thermodynamic environment through the period, with latest guidance offering a myriad of possible solutions/tracks to these possible MCSs. Regardless, have included a zone of Slight Risk equivalent severe probabilities where confidence is somewhat greater in robust thunderstorms occurring capable of producing severe/damaging winds and hail. Farther east across southern VA into the Carolinas, deep-layer shear is forecast to be a bit weaker. Still, multiple loosely organized clusters capable of producing mainly wind damage should occur as convection develops along/south of a front and spreads east-southeastward through Wednesday evening. ...Northern Rockies/Plains... Upper ridging will remain over much of the Plains through the period. But, a weak shortwave trough should overspread parts of the northern Rockies/Plains through Wednesday evening. Modest large-scale ascent associated with this feature should encourage convective development over the higher terrain initially. As this activity spreads into the adjacent High Plains, it will likely encounter greater low-level moisture and related instability. Deep-layer shear should be strong enough for a mix of multicells and supercells capable of producing both large hail and damaging winds. ..Gleason.. 07/04/2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 ILN Quote .SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH 6 PM TUESDAY/... West-northwest mid level flow across the Ohio Valley around the periphery of a broad mid level ridge centered over the Lower MS Valley. Ongoing MCS to our west late in the day is expected to weaken as moves into a less favorable environment over ILN/s area during the evening- with drier air in place. Airmass moistens up with low level theta-e advection thru the night. A second MCS which develops over the Great Lakes may make it into ILN/s northern counties late tonight. There continues to be good spread and therefore uncertainty on how far south the storms make it overnight. Therefore have limited pops to chance category with the best chance across the far north. Temperatures will be mild with lows from 70 to 75. Ongoing MCS across northern Ohio Tuesday morning to push east off to the east with mid level shortwave. Confidence in forecast on Tuesday is low regarding additional convective development. Moderate to strong instability develops during the heating of the day in the wake of the morning thunderstorms. It remains unclear where outflow will lay out to aid the development of deep convection. Due to instability -- if convection develops across this region, there is a threat for damaging winds and large hail. Will continue to mention this severe potential Tuesday afternoon into Tuesday night in the HWO product. Hot conditions with highs generally in the lower 90s. Temperatures combined with increased humidity will result in max heat indices around 100 Tuesday afternoon. && .LONG TERM /TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY/... A cluster of thunderstorms is likely to be dropping southeast across the area Tuesday night ahead of a potent short wave disturbance. Following a relative lull Wednesday morning, a resurgence of thunderstorms is expected Wednesday afternoon in increasing instability ahead of the next disturbance. Organized by strong winds aloft, any thunderstorms could be strong to severe in a very unstable environment where CAPE could exceed 5000 J/KG. Heavy rain will also be likely from an atmosphere containing over 2 inches of PWAT. More thunderstorms are forecast for Thursday and Friday in a persistently unstable regime enhanced by more disturbances in a westerly flow aloft, aided by convergence along a cold front. Improvement should be observed on the weekend as the front drops south, allowing decreasing thunderstorm chances as high pressure moves in on a northwest flow aloft. High temperatures reaching the lower and middle 90s on Wednesday will gradually fall to the lower and middle 80s by the weekend due to cold advection associated with frontal passage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cperry29 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 I’m not endorsing the HRDPS in any way but it did fairly well a few weeks ago with derechos in Ohio, FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWOhioChaser Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) Storms going to take all day to travel 300ish miles here. Slow storms. Hope they hold. Edited July 4, 2022 by NWOhioChaser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Couple of enhanced areas added on the day 2 update. Quote Day 2 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 1234 PM CDT Mon Jul 04 2022 Valid 051200Z - 061200Z ...THERE IS AN ENHANCED RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS PORTIONS OF EASTERN MT...SOUTHWEST ND AND NORTHWEST SD...AND ACROSS SOUTHEAST SD...NORTHEAST NE...NORTHWEST IA AND SOUTHWEST MN... ...SUMMARY... Severe thunderstorms are expected Tuesday across parts of the northern/central Plains into the Midwest, Ohio Valley, and Mid-Atlantic. Large hail and damaging winds appear to be the main threats. The most intense gusts and very large hail are expected across eastern Montana into the Middle Missouri Valley. ...Synopsis... The overall forecast philosophy remains similar to the previous Day 2 outlook, though confidence has increased in greater significant severe potential across parts of eastern MT into the Middle Missouri Valley Tuesday afternoon/evening. An amplified upper ridge will be in place over the Plains, while an upper trough pivots east across the lower Great Lakes/Northeast vicinity. Several shortwave perturbations are forecast to migrate through the crest of the ridge from the central/northern Rockies into the central/northern Plains. Meanwhile, a surface cold front is forecast to extend from the Upper Midwest into southern Ontario Tuesday morning. The front will develop southward through the period, becoming positioned from southern MN to northern Ohio then eastward to central NJ and offshore from the Northeast coast. ...SD/NE/IA/MN Vicinity... A cluster of elevated thunderstorms is expected to be ongoing across parts of ND/SD Tuesday morning. This activity could pose a threat for hail through the morning as it drifts east/southeast. By afternoon, these storms may re-intensify, or new convection may develop, within increasing moisture along a baroclinic zone along the NE/SD border ahead of the surface front. Surface dewpoints in the upper 60s to near 70 F and strong heating on the northern periphery of the low/midlevel thermal ridge, and beneath steep midlevel lapse rates, will result in a corridor of strong instability greater than 2500 J/kg. Effective shear magnitudes greater than 30 kt will result in organized updrafts. Long, straight hodographs and a deep effective inflow layer will support supercells capable of very large hail. Forecast guidance also suggests some potential for upscale development is possible via storm-scale interactions and a modestly increasing southerly low-level jet during the evening. Given expected strong instability and very steep low-level lapse rates, this activity also will have the potential to produce intense damaging gusts. ...Eastern MT into the Western Dakotas Vicinity... High-based thunderstorms are expected to develop over higher terrain during the afternoon. Easterly low-level flow will bring increasing low-level moisture westward through the afternoon. As higher-based storms encounter higher-quality moisture and instability across eastern MT, potential for significant severe thunderstorms will increase. Supercell wind profiles are forecast, with very steep mid and low-level lapse rates across the region. Very large hail, and intense damaging wind gusts are possible. While convection is expected to mostly be discrete, some bowing segments are possible across far eastern MT into the western Dakotas by evening. This may increase damaging wind potential during the evening. ...Midwest to the Mid-Atlantic... Forecast confidence is less across the region compared to areas further west. This is partly due to expected areas of ongoing showers/thunderstorms and cloud cover across the Ohio Valley vicinity Tuesday morning. Nevertheless, a seasonally moist and unstable airmass will reside downstream from this activity, and redevelop/intensification is expected by afternoon across parts of WV/PA into the Mid-Atlantic. Additional thunderstorms are expected to develop ahead of the southward-sagging cold front further west across parts of WI/MI into IL and the lower OH Valley. Moderate deep-layer shear will support organized clusters/bowing segments, and swaths of strong wind gusts will possible from late afternoon into the evening. Some hail potential also will accompany stronger, more semi-discrete cellular activity as well. ..Leitman.. 07/04/2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 16 hours ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: The enhanced risk would easily verify on storm reports if Montana was more populated. But the intensity of the storms on radar suggests this was easily worthy of an enhanced risk. I agree on that. My guess is that unusual supercell caused some maybe EF1+ damage around US-34 on the edge of the city of Grand Island, and perhaps tracked northeastward for over 1 mile. I happened to be looking at the Day-1 outlook issued at 06z (midnight for me) to make a forecast for Snowlover2's severe weather game. Then I did a quick look at radar and saw the storm! I mark my forecast point on my GRLevel3 system, so I don't forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Watching storms in Illinois. Wonder if they will hold together into Indiana 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 18z HRRR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Tornado warning just south of Ottawa IL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 ILN Quote AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION National Weather Service Wilmington OH 405 PM EDT Mon Jul 4 2022 .SYNOPSIS... It will be hot and humid through much of the week. Several rounds of showers and thunderstorms will occur. && .NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 AM TUESDAY MORNING/... Quiescent conditions will continue through the evening. Thunderstorms moving across Illinois are forecast to dissipate before reaching the area. However, additional convection forecast to develop in Wisconsin will drop southeast and likely make it to near I-70 before daybreak. Expect this activity to be weakening and elevated. So the potential for severe weather is low. Temperatures will only fall into the upper 60s to lower 70s. && .SHORT TERM /6 AM TUESDAY MORNING THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT/... Decaying MCS is expected to continue southeast and dissipate before the morning is through. This will likely leave a boundary across the forecast area which will be a focus for new convection as the atmosphere becomes very unstable in the afternoon, although shear is minimal. Where that boundary will be located is uncertain. With the expectation that CAMs are handling this better than synoptic models, have relied heavily on the HREF, as opposed to any one particular CAM, as a guide for this forecast package. Given that, better coverage of new storms is forecast to be near the Ohio River with perhaps somewhat greater chance in the Tri- State. If shear is as unimpressive as forecast, then expect little organization, but more than sufficient instability to result in tall storms that result in damaging winds and perhaps large hail. With precipitable water approaching 2 inches, locally heavy rainfall will also be a threat. Storms may continue well into the evening, especially into eastern Indiana where greater instability may linger. Another MCS dropping out of the Great Lakes and moving into the northern part of the forecast area late Tuesday night looks likely at this point. Dew points will push into the 70s Tuesday morning and remain there through the rest of the period. Remnants/cloud debris from morning convection could affect temperatures adding another uncertainty in the forecast. But with highs forecast to get into the lower to mid 90s, heat indices will be near or above advisory criterion. Have issued a heat advisory only for area where there is greater confidence at this moment. It will be sultry Tuesday night with lows in the lower to mid 70s. && .LONG TERM /WEDNESDAY THROUGH MONDAY/... Northwesterly upper level flow on the eastern side up an anomalous upper level ridge remains in place over the Ohio Valley for the second half of the week. Northwesterly flow aloft overlaps with hot, humid, unstable air Wednesday through Friday leading to chances for convection especially during the afternoon hours. The strongest storms will likely pose a downburst and heavy rain risk due to copious amounts of instability, high PWATs, and moderate DCAPE. Storm mode remains difficult to forecast since shear is forecast to be fairly low (bulk shear 25 knots or less). Best guess is single and multicells being most prevalent through the week, however there is a chance that cold pools agglomerate leading to MCS potential. Forecast highs remain near 90 through Friday and forecast lows are near 70. A cold front (with thunderstorms) may drop through the area later on Friday into Saturday. Cooler, drier air moves in behind the front for the bulk of the weekend with forecast temperatures near seasonal averages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Tonight has could get interesting with mcs potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btbucks Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 I haven't been able to say this in years, but we could use the rain. But no Derecho please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted July 4, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) Tomorrow looks a little active Edited July 4, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 There is a very high dew point of 84 degrees at Denison Iowa today. I believe that's tied for the highest I've ever seen on a US weather map. But then this Le Mars Iowa has a weather sensor that is in error. Take a look at this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted July 4, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Chinook said: There is a very high dew point of 84 degrees at Denison Iowa today. I believe that's tied for the highest I've ever seen on a US weather map. But then this Le Mars Iowa has a weather sensor that is in error. Take a look at this: Highest reliably recorded dew point in the US is something like 87. From 2011 I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted July 4, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted July 4, 2022 Re-development and seemingly rapid mesocyclone development in southern Wisconsin. ~42 knots effective shear, 360 m2/s2 effective SRH, and 2171 mlcape. Yep, rapid supercell development makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted July 5, 2022 Something appears to be missing because the storms are failing to get to severe intensity. No doubt they're rotating. We'll find out when the 0z DVN sounding comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) This is porn for storm lovers in the OV Edited July 5, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: Something appears to be missing because the storms are failing to get to severe intensity. No doubt they're rotating. We'll find out when the 0z DVN sounding comes in. Dangerous environment ahead of the mostly sub-severe supercells. Really nothing looks off about this sounding aside from the slight, weak inversion above the surface. But that wouldn't why there are so many supercells but only one is severe warned. Maybe the layer just above 500mb is too dry? I dunno. But the big saving grace here is that the storm mode should become linear pretty quick. Edited July 5, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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