Neoncyclone Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: The potential for Monday is insane Such an expansive warm sector Edited May 3, 2022 by Neoncyclone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted May 4, 2022 Meteorologist Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) I didn't read the latest day 2 outlook too thoroughly so I'm just now noticing this but it sounds like strong tornadoes might be able to continue through the evening hours tomorrow. Somewhat unusual for the Plains because of the cap. This may be a favored area for isolated tornadic supercells prior to the surging cold front intercepting around 03Z. Steep midlevel lapse rates as well as robust shear and 200-300 m2/s2 effective SRH in the warm front zone to the east may sustain storms despite an increase in capping, with strong tornadoes possible. Eventually, a squall line is expected to form along the cold front, with damaging winds possibly overspreading much of OK. Edited May 4, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 It looks like that the outflow boundary/gust front is moving in from the south Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted May 4, 2022 Meteorologist Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Iceresistance said: It looks like that the outflow boundary/gust front is moving in from the south The cold pool developed and then, as they like to do, they follow the unstable air. Probably didn't go south because of some complication with the southern Florida tip with sea breeze or differential heating due to sea/land differences Edited May 4, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cincysnow Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 19 minutes ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: The cold pool developed and then, as they like to do, they follow the unstable air. Probably didn't go south because of some complication with the southern Florida tip with sea breeze or differential heating due to sea/land differences Florida is a different animal when it comes to thunderstorms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted May 4, 2022 Meteorologist Share Posted May 4, 2022 Despite having a swath of severe weather coming through this afternoon, ILN recovered. Not nearly as unstable as earlier but still enough for some thunder. Can thank continued low-level moisture advection and spotty cloud breaks. Pathetic mid-level lapse rates holds us back from a multi-round severe weather day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I just noticed a bunch of you have removed your locations....is there a reason? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted May 4, 2022 Meteorologist Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Michelle said: I just noticed a bunch of you have removed your locations....is there a reason? Mine got removed for me and I suspect the same with others Edited May 4, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoncyclone Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) Holy.... I think we'll see an upgrade, and also I really hope this doesn't verify. Edited May 4, 2022 by Neoncyclone 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cincysnow Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 With the last push of rain, i’m over 2” in 24 hours 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted May 4, 2022 Meteorologist Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Neoncyclone said: Holy.... I think we'll see an upgrade, and also I really hope this doesn't verify. Tomorrow has a different feel to me than the events over the past few weeks. I think it's gonna be a pretty big, widespread event. Wind profile reminds me of Dixie Alley events with the low-level shear and deep-layer shear. Edited May 4, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 hours ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: The potential for Monday is insane With that much instability in May along with a powerful jet. That's a very volatile setup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoncyclone Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Just now, ClicheVortex2014 said: Tomorrow has a different feel to me than the events over the past few weeks. I think it's gonna be a pretty big, widespread event. Wind profile reminds me of recent Dixie Alley events with the low-level shear and deep-layer shear. I definitely agree, I think there's even a decent tornado threat on the warm-front as it lifts over Central Oklahoma, as well as a couple discrete cells in Eastern Oklahoma and several in Texas. In terms of CAMs I trust the HRRR over all other but if the other 00z CAMs show a similar mix of discrete/semi-discrete convection i'll be pretty much convinced on a high end event, already kind of am. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoncyclone Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) Interestingly the 3km NAM keeps the warm-front from even entering Oklahoma, morning storms keep the atmosphere stable. Edited May 4, 2022 by Neoncyclone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I do not know where this is, but might have been along with the northern Ohio bookend vortex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted May 4, 2022 Meteorologist Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chinook said: I do not know where this is, but might have been along with the northern Ohio bookend vortex. ILN actually liked and retweeted what appears to be the original source. Can't think of where Ashville is off the top of my head but since it was tagged with ILN, liked and retweeted by them, I'm assuming it's in the swath of severe weather starting in southwest Ohio Dunno which way is west in this photo but I'm seeing debris spread out in one direction which suggests straight-line wind damage. Obviously, I'm not trained in surveying and ILN will be out there I'm sure. Edited May 4, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Neoncyclone said: Holy.... I think we'll see an upgrade, and also I really hope this doesn't verify. 😬 That's a lot less messy midday convection compared to previous runs... I'm still feeling a little iffy about the northern extent of it but yeah someone's probably going to get a 15 hatched... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoncyclone Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 01,02,03z HRRR all still showing little morning convection in Oklahoma. Here's the 03z which goes right up until initiation in West and South Texas. Edited May 4, 2022 by Neoncyclone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: ILN actually liked and retweeted what appears to be the original source. Can't think of where Ashville is off the top of my head but since it was tagged with ILN, liked and retweeted by them, I'm assuming it's in the swath of severe weather starting in southwest Ohio Dunno which way is west in this photo but I'm seeing debris spread out in one direction which suggests straight-line wind damage. Obviously, I'm not trained in surveying and ILN will be out there I'm sure. Surprisingly, then, that's within my 25 mile radius for the severe weather contest. I picked Columbus, which is a city I have been to, as opposed to nearly every other place I pick for the contest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted May 4, 2022 Meteorologist Share Posted May 4, 2022 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted May 4, 2022 Meteorologist Share Posted May 4, 2022 No day 1 moderate but they do mention the potential for it later DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0100 AM CDT WED MAY 04 2022 VALID 041200Z - 051200Z ...THERE IS AN ENHANCED RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS FROM PARTS OF NORTHWEST TEXAS INTO OKLAHOMA... ..SUMMARY SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING TORNADOES AND VERY LARGE HAIL SHOULD OCCUR MAINLY THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM THE EASTERN TEXAS PANHANDLE AND NORTHWEST TEXAS ACROSS PARTS OF SOUTHERN, CENTRAL, AND EASTERN OKLAHOMA. A COUPLE OF STRONG TORNADOES WILL BE POSSIBLE WITHIN THIS CORRIDOR. DAMAGING WINDS WILL ALSO BE A CONCERN ACROSS MUCH OF OKLAHOMA INTO THE OZARKS THIS EVENING AND TONIGHT, WITH A CONTINUED THREAT OF ISOLATED TORNADOES. ..SYNOPSIS A UPPER TROUGH/LOW WILL MOVE SLOWLY EASTWARD TODAY FROM THE ROCKIES ACROSS THE SOUTHERN/CENTRAL HIGH PLAINS. A 50-60 KT MID-LEVEL SOUTHWESTERLY JET WILL EXTEND FROM THE SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS ACROSS MUCH OF OK/KS BY THIS EVENING. AT THE SURFACE, A LOW SHOULD DEVELOP EAST-SOUTHEASTWARD OVER THE SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS THROUGH THE DAY, WITH A DRYLINE EXTENDING SOUTHWARD FROM THIS LOW ACROSS WEST TX. A WARM FRONT WILL LIFT NORTHWARD ACROSS TX AND INTO PARTS OF OK/AR BY LATE THIS AFTERNOON, WITH RICH LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE PRESENT TO ITS SOUTH. A COLD FRONT ATTENDANT TO THE SURFACE LOW WILL EVENTUALLY SWEEP SOUTHEASTWARD ACROSS THE SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS LATE THIS EVENING AND OVERNIGHT. ..SOUTHERN PLAINS INTO THE OZARKS A COMPLEX FORECAST SCENARIO IS EVIDENT ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PLAINS TODAY, WITH MULTIPLE CORRIDORS AND ROUNDS OF POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS POSSIBLE. IF ANY CONVECTION CAN DEVELOP EARLY THIS MORNING IN THE LOW-LEVEL WARM ADVECTION REGIME TO THE NORTH OF THE WARM FRONT, IT WOULD POSE A THREAT FOR LARGE HAIL GIVEN THE PRESENCE OF MODERATE MUCAPE AND STRONG DEEP-LAYER SHEAR. ANY MORNING THUNDERSTORMS MAY ALSO ACT TO LIMIT THE NORTHWARD ADVANCE OF THE WARM FRONT ACROSS OK, AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE EFFECTIVE WARM FRONT BY THIS AFTERNOON/EARLY EVENING REMAINS A SOURCE OF CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY. THE DRYLINE WILL MIX EASTWARD ACROSS THE TX PANHANDLE AND SOUTH PLAINS REGION THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON, WITH A CORRIDOR OF AT LEAST MID 60S SURFACE DEWPOINTS PRESENT ALONG/EAST ACROSS TX AND SOUTHERN/CENTRAL OK. IT APPEARS LIKELY THAT ISOLATED TO SCATTERED SUPERCELLS WILL FORM ALONG THE DRYLINE BY MID TO LATE AFTERNOON. MODERATE TO STRONG INSTABILITY, STEEP MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES, AND 40-50+ KT OF EFFECTIVE BULK SHEAR ALL SUGGEST THAT THESE SUPERCELLS WILL POSE A THREAT FOR VERY LARGE HAIL. AS THIS CONVECTION SPREADS EASTWARD ACROSS NORTHWEST TX AND INTO SOUTHWESTERN OK BY THIS EVENING, IT SHOULD ENCOUNTER GREATER LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE. A LOW-LEVEL JET IS ALSO FORECAST TO STRENGTHEN SOMEWHAT BY THE EARLY EVENING ACROSS THIS REGION. INCREASING LOW-LEVEL SHEAR AND ELONGATED HODOGRAPHS WILL LIKELY FOSTER UPDRAFT ROTATION WITH ANY CELLS THAT CAN REMAIN DISCRETE, AND THE TORNADO THREAT SHOULD INCREASE LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING. GIVEN THE FAVORABLE LOW-LEVEL SHEAR FORECAST, WITH EFFECTIVE SRH AROUND 200-300+ M2/S2, SOME OF THESE TORNADOES COULD BE STRONG. THERE ALSO APPEARS TO BE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL CONVECTION TO FORM IN THE OPEN WARM SECTOR ACROSS NORTH TX AND SOUTHERN OK THIS MORNING AND AFTERNOON AS MODEST LOW-LEVEL WARM ADVECTION PERSISTS ACROSS THIS AREA. ANY THUNDERSTORMS THAT CAN FORM ALONG/SOUTH OF THE WARM FRONT WOULD POSE A THREAT FOR ALL SEVERE HAZARDS, ALTHOUGH THE LOW-LEVEL FLOW IS FORECAST TO REMAIN FAIRLY MODEST THROUGH THE EARLY AFTERNOON. THE COVERAGE AND PLACEMENT OF ANY EARLY DAY CONVECTION WILL GREATLY INFLUENCE THE SEVERE POTENTIAL LATER THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING ACROSS CENTRAL/EASTERN OK AND NORTH TX. IF THUNDERSTORMS REMAIN RELATIVELY SPARSE THROUGH MID DAY, AS SOME HIGH-RESOLUTION GUIDANCE SUGGESTS, THEN THE WARM FRONT WILL BE ABLE TO LIFT FARTHER NORTH IN CENTRAL/EASTERN OK. ISOLATED TO SCATTERED SUPERCELLS MAY FORM ALONG THE WARM FRONT IN CENTRAL/EASTERN OK BY LATE AFTERNOON AND CONTINUING THROUGH THE EVENING AS A SOUTHERLY LOW-LEVEL JET SLOWLY STRENGTHENS. VERY LARGE HAIL AND TORNADOES WOULD BE THE MAIN THREATS WITH THESE SUPERCELLS IF THEY FORM, AND A COUPLE STRONG TORNADOES APPEAR POSSIBLE. EVENTUALLY, THIS ACTIVITY SHOULD GROW UPSCALE INTO AN MCS, WITH GREATER DAMAGING WIND POTENTIAL. AT THIS POINT, THERE IS TOO MUCH UNCERTAINTY WITH THE PLACEMENT OF THE WARM FRONT LATER TODAY, AND WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR EARLY DAY CONVECTION ACROSS THE WARM SECTOR, TO INCLUDE GREATER TORNADO AND/OR SEVERE HAIL PROBABILITIES. BUT, A MORE FOCUSED MESOSCALE CORRIDOR OF SEVERE POTENTIAL MAY EVENTUALLY BECOME EVIDENT ACROSS SOME PORTION OF THE ENHANCED RISK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoncyclone Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: No day 1 moderate but they do mention the potential for it later DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0100 AM CDT WED MAY 04 2022 VALID 041200Z - 051200Z ...THERE IS AN ENHANCED RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS FROM PARTS OF NORTHWEST TEXAS INTO OKLAHOMA... ..SUMMARY SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING TORNADOES AND VERY LARGE HAIL SHOULD OCCUR MAINLY THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM THE EASTERN TEXAS PANHANDLE AND NORTHWEST TEXAS ACROSS PARTS OF SOUTHERN, CENTRAL, AND EASTERN OKLAHOMA. A COUPLE OF STRONG TORNADOES WILL BE POSSIBLE WITHIN THIS CORRIDOR. DAMAGING WINDS WILL ALSO BE A CONCERN ACROSS MUCH OF OKLAHOMA INTO THE OZARKS THIS EVENING AND TONIGHT, WITH A CONTINUED THREAT OF ISOLATED TORNADOES. ..SYNOPSIS A UPPER TROUGH/LOW WILL MOVE SLOWLY EASTWARD TODAY FROM THE ROCKIES ACROSS THE SOUTHERN/CENTRAL HIGH PLAINS. A 50-60 KT MID-LEVEL SOUTHWESTERLY JET WILL EXTEND FROM THE SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS ACROSS MUCH OF OK/KS BY THIS EVENING. AT THE SURFACE, A LOW SHOULD DEVELOP EAST-SOUTHEASTWARD OVER THE SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS THROUGH THE DAY, WITH A DRYLINE EXTENDING SOUTHWARD FROM THIS LOW ACROSS WEST TX. A WARM FRONT WILL LIFT NORTHWARD ACROSS TX AND INTO PARTS OF OK/AR BY LATE THIS AFTERNOON, WITH RICH LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE PRESENT TO ITS SOUTH. A COLD FRONT ATTENDANT TO THE SURFACE LOW WILL EVENTUALLY SWEEP SOUTHEASTWARD ACROSS THE SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS LATE THIS EVENING AND OVERNIGHT. ..SOUTHERN PLAINS INTO THE OZARKS A COMPLEX FORECAST SCENARIO IS EVIDENT ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PLAINS TODAY, WITH MULTIPLE CORRIDORS AND ROUNDS OF POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS POSSIBLE. IF ANY CONVECTION CAN DEVELOP EARLY THIS MORNING IN THE LOW-LEVEL WARM ADVECTION REGIME TO THE NORTH OF THE WARM FRONT, IT WOULD POSE A THREAT FOR LARGE HAIL GIVEN THE PRESENCE OF MODERATE MUCAPE AND STRONG DEEP-LAYER SHEAR. ANY MORNING THUNDERSTORMS MAY ALSO ACT TO LIMIT THE NORTHWARD ADVANCE OF THE WARM FRONT ACROSS OK, AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE EFFECTIVE WARM FRONT BY THIS AFTERNOON/EARLY EVENING REMAINS A SOURCE OF CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY. THE DRYLINE WILL MIX EASTWARD ACROSS THE TX PANHANDLE AND SOUTH PLAINS REGION THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON, WITH A CORRIDOR OF AT LEAST MID 60S SURFACE DEWPOINTS PRESENT ALONG/EAST ACROSS TX AND SOUTHERN/CENTRAL OK. IT APPEARS LIKELY THAT ISOLATED TO SCATTERED SUPERCELLS WILL FORM ALONG THE DRYLINE BY MID TO LATE AFTERNOON. MODERATE TO STRONG INSTABILITY, STEEP MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES, AND 40-50+ KT OF EFFECTIVE BULK SHEAR ALL SUGGEST THAT THESE SUPERCELLS WILL POSE A THREAT FOR VERY LARGE HAIL. AS THIS CONVECTION SPREADS EASTWARD ACROSS NORTHWEST TX AND INTO SOUTHWESTERN OK BY THIS EVENING, IT SHOULD ENCOUNTER GREATER LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE. A LOW-LEVEL JET IS ALSO FORECAST TO STRENGTHEN SOMEWHAT BY THE EARLY EVENING ACROSS THIS REGION. INCREASING LOW-LEVEL SHEAR AND ELONGATED HODOGRAPHS WILL LIKELY FOSTER UPDRAFT ROTATION WITH ANY CELLS THAT CAN REMAIN DISCRETE, AND THE TORNADO THREAT SHOULD INCREASE LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING. GIVEN THE FAVORABLE LOW-LEVEL SHEAR FORECAST, WITH EFFECTIVE SRH AROUND 200-300+ M2/S2, SOME OF THESE TORNADOES COULD BE STRONG. THERE ALSO APPEARS TO BE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL CONVECTION TO FORM IN THE OPEN WARM SECTOR ACROSS NORTH TX AND SOUTHERN OK THIS MORNING AND AFTERNOON AS MODEST LOW-LEVEL WARM ADVECTION PERSISTS ACROSS THIS AREA. ANY THUNDERSTORMS THAT CAN FORM ALONG/SOUTH OF THE WARM FRONT WOULD POSE A THREAT FOR ALL SEVERE HAZARDS, ALTHOUGH THE LOW-LEVEL FLOW IS FORECAST TO REMAIN FAIRLY MODEST THROUGH THE EARLY AFTERNOON. THE COVERAGE AND PLACEMENT OF ANY EARLY DAY CONVECTION WILL GREATLY INFLUENCE THE SEVERE POTENTIAL LATER THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING ACROSS CENTRAL/EASTERN OK AND NORTH TX. IF THUNDERSTORMS REMAIN RELATIVELY SPARSE THROUGH MID DAY, AS SOME HIGH-RESOLUTION GUIDANCE SUGGESTS, THEN THE WARM FRONT WILL BE ABLE TO LIFT FARTHER NORTH IN CENTRAL/EASTERN OK. ISOLATED TO SCATTERED SUPERCELLS MAY FORM ALONG THE WARM FRONT IN CENTRAL/EASTERN OK BY LATE AFTERNOON AND CONTINUING THROUGH THE EVENING AS A SOUTHERLY LOW-LEVEL JET SLOWLY STRENGTHENS. VERY LARGE HAIL AND TORNADOES WOULD BE THE MAIN THREATS WITH THESE SUPERCELLS IF THEY FORM, AND A COUPLE STRONG TORNADOES APPEAR POSSIBLE. EVENTUALLY, THIS ACTIVITY SHOULD GROW UPSCALE INTO AN MCS, WITH GREATER DAMAGING WIND POTENTIAL. AT THIS POINT, THERE IS TOO MUCH UNCERTAINTY WITH THE PLACEMENT OF THE WARM FRONT LATER TODAY, AND WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR EARLY DAY CONVECTION ACROSS THE WARM SECTOR, TO INCLUDE GREATER TORNADO AND/OR SEVERE HAIL PROBABILITIES. BUT, A MORE FOCUSED MESOSCALE CORRIDOR OF SEVERE POTENTIAL MAY EVENTUALLY BECOME EVIDENT ACROSS SOME PORTION OF THE ENHANCED RISK. I agree with this, 00z CAMs all kept the warm sector south except for HRRR, and while I do trust it the most, it is the outlier right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoncyclone Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 06z HRRR Edited May 4, 2022 by Neoncyclone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) The entire eastern half of the 10 hatched will probably be dealing with convection/cloud cover issues for most of if not all of the day. HRRR has shifted towards bringing the main line in a few hours later than earlier runs now which looks like a wind threat but not much tornado threat for C OK. Overall I'd say the best chance for a tornado is in NW TX and maybe SW OK if something can form in the warm sector. Edited May 4, 2022 by OKwx_2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) Morning convection is much stronger than HRRR has. Some of it is even severe warned. Although it is moving out of the 10 hatched area pretty quickly Edited May 4, 2022 by OKwx_2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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