Neoncyclone Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Monday night could be pretty bad for AR seeing a lot of discrete activity. 0z Hrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 The HRRR does show some Supercells in Northern Texas on Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Neoncyclone said: Monday night could be pretty bad for AR seeing a lot of discrete activity. 0z Hrrr My parents are in that area. All they've got with them is a truck and camper. Hopefully they can find shelter for at least the truck. I'm more worried about the hail threat than the tornado threat for them. Edited April 11, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) @ClicheVortex2014Southern Oklahoma has developing Supercells at the end of the run, also shows a Weakening Cap, but the storms did not go in most of Oklahoma & all of Kansas. Also, the 21z RAP does have stuff trying to go up in Kansas, also with a weaker cap as well, but only the soundings on the day of it will tell us if we're going to get big storms, or a big bust by the Cap Edited April 11, 2022 by Iceresistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) NAM still doesn't develop anything until past 0z. The storms would be elevated by then. Looks like anything that develops north of OKC should be pushed generally northeast which leaves the mid-MS valley, and maybe the lower OV, clear. I'm starting to really buy into Wednesday. Especially if that pre-frontal band develops. Edited April 11, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoncyclone Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Also this is very long range HRRR so expect many changes but it is regardless interesting to see a complete shift of the highest threat area all the way up to Iowa where you can definitely see some convection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted April 11, 2022 NAM doesn't really have the pre-frontal action like the 18z run, but the mid-MS valley does get slammed with discrete/semi-discrete cells. Again, I'm starting to buy into Wednesday... as long as convection doesn't verify in central/southern OK. That would muddy things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) Thunderstorm watch in effect for Northern & NE Oklahoma, SE Kansas, & SW Missouri Edited April 11, 2022 by Iceresistance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) GFS is really ramping up Wednesday. Not nearly as flashy as Tuesday but there's no concerns about capping and there's potential for warm sector convection. Edited April 11, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Well this would have been a fun night to be home. Oof 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) Couple things for the next few days: Tomorrow looks really dangerous for AR. Will probably see an enhanced risk for hail and maybe tornadoes at some point. I'm very interested to see what SPC does for Tues. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they downgraded the southern half of the enhanced risk to a slight since it looks like storm formation will be pretty isolated, if they do form at all. Wednesday looks big, will probably be a moderate risk day, although not on this coming outlook. Edited April 11, 2022 by OKwx_2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted April 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, OKwx_2001 said: Well this would have been a fun night to be home. Oof Right entrance region of a negative tilt is doing work. Lucky for the Upper Midwest that this isn't June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, OKwx_2001 said: Couple things for the next few days: Tomorrow looks really dangerous for AR. Will probably see an enhanced risk for hail and maybe tornadoes at some point. I'm very interested to see what SPC does for Tues. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they downgraded the southern half of the enhanced risk to a slight since it looks like storm formation will be pretty isolated, if they do form at all. Wednesday looks big, will probably be a moderate risk day, although not on this coming outlook. I'm actually gonna take that part back I think I'm getting a bit too pessimistic after the last couple years... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Southern End of the line has a hook, there's a relatively weak couplet with that one for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 ODOT Cameras in Tulsa to see the stormshttps://oktraffic.org/#/map?lat=36.1604626914911&lon=-96.00260532226562&origin=click&rand=1649654428460 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Iceresistance said: Southern End of the line has a hook, there's a relatively weak couplet with that one for now. Gust front is out ahead of the storms so there's no tornado threat there Edited April 11, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 1 minute ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: Gust front is out ahead of the storms so there's no tornado threat there It can spin all it wants to, but it can't produce a tornado because it's undercut by the North winds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Iceresistance said: It can spin all it wants to, but it can't produce a tornado because it's undercut by the North winds It's more about the fact that the temps drop off so much behind gust front that there's now an inversion just above the surface due to the sudden appearance of rain-cooled air at the surface. That makes it impossible for tornadoes to form, whereas a shallow change in near-surface winds makes it unlikely. You've got the right idea though because it's similar to how there's no tornado threat once a cell gets undercut by a surging cold front. Edited April 11, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted April 11, 2022 Enhanced risk for tornadoes and hail introduced for day 1 DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 1259 AM CDT MON APR 11 2022 VALID 111200Z - 121200Z ...THERE IS AN ENHANCED RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS PARTS OF CENTRAL AND NORTHERN ARKANSAS... ..SUMMARY ISOLATED TO SCATTERED SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ARE POSSIBLE MONDAY INTO MONDAY NIGHT FROM PARTS OF NORTHEAST TEXAS TO THE MID-SOUTH AND VICINITY, WITH THE GREATEST THREAT EXPECTED OVER PARTS OF ARKANSAS. LARGE TO VERY LARGE HAIL, DAMAGING WINDS, AND A FEW TORNADOES ALL APPEAR POSSIBLE. ..SYNOPSIS A MID/UPPER-LEVEL SHORTWAVE TROUGH IS FORECAST TO MOVE FROM THE UPPER GREAT LAKES REGION INTO EASTERN CANADA TODAY, AS A LONGWAVE TROUGH BEGINS TO DEEPEN OVER THE WESTERN CONUS. AT THE SURFACE, A WEAK COLD FRONT IS FORECAST TO MOVE SLOWLY SOUTHWARD FROM THE OZARK PLATEAU INTO PORTIONS OF THE MIDWEST, WHILE THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE FRONT WILL STALL OUT AND BEGIN LIFTING NORTHWARD LATE TONIGHT ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PLAINS IN RESPONSE TO A DEEPENING CYCLONE NEAR THE CO FRONT RANGE. ..ARKANSAS AND ADJACENT PORTIONS OF NORTHEAST TX/SOUTHEAST OK MID SOUTH...AND OH VALLEY... CONVECTION WILL LIKELY BE ONGOING AT THE START OF THE PERIOD ACROSS PARTS OF NORTHERN AR AND SOUTHERN MO, MAINLY ALONG AND NORTH OF A CONVECTIVELY REINFORCED SURFACE BOUNDARY. MUCAPE OF 500-1000 J/KG AND EFFECTIVE SHEAR OF 40+ KT WILL SUPPORT A THREAT OF ISOLATED HAIL AND STRONG WIND GUSTS WITH ANY ELEVATED CLUSTERS THROUGH THE MORNING. ONE OR MORE CLUSTERS MAY MOVE INTO PORTIONS OF WESTERN TN AND LOWER OH VALLEY THROUGH THE DAY WITH A CONTINUED THREAT OF ISOLATED WIND/HAIL. THE OUTFLOW BOUNDARY WILL LIKELY BECOME NEARLY STATIONARY BY LATE AFTERNOON SOMEWHERE FROM EASTERN OK INTO CENTRAL/NORTHERN AR. THE COVERAGE AND TIMING OF ANY REDEVELOPMENT NEAR THE OUTFLOW BOUNDARY REMAINS SOMEWHAT UNCERTAIN AT THIS TIME, DUE TO GENERALLY SUBTLE LARGE-SCALE ASCENT ACROSS THE REGION. HOWEVER, THE ENVIRONMENT WILL BECOME CONDITIONALLY FAVORABLE FOR SUPERCELLS, AS MODERATE TO LOCALLY STRONG INSTABILITY DEVELOPS WITH DIURNAL HEATING AND EFFECTIVE SHEAR REMAINS IN THE 40-50 KT RANGE. IT APPEARS PLAUSIBLE THAT A FEW SUPERCELLS WILL DEVELOP BY LATE AFTERNOON/EARLY EVENING WITHIN A MODEST WARM-ADVECTION REGIME ACROSS WESTERN INTO NORTHERN AR, AND POTENTIALLY INTO FAR SOUTHEAST OK/NORTHEAST TX. LOCALLY BACKED FLOW NEAR THE SURFACE BOUNDARY WILL SUPPORT A TORNADO THREAT, IN ADDITION TO THE RISK OF HAIL (POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT) AND LOCALLY DAMAGING WIND GUSTS. ..PARTS OF CENTRAL/NORTH TX A CONDITIONALLY FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR SUPERCELLS WILL BE IN PLACE ALONG AND EAST OF A DRYLINE INTO PARTS OF CENTRAL AND NORTH TX THIS AFTERNOON/EVENING. THE POTENTIAL FOR INITIATION REMAINS HIGHLY UNCERTAIN, HOWEVER, WITH LARGE-SCALE ASCENT EXPECTED TO BE NEGLIGIBLE ACROSS THE REGION. SHOULD INITIATION OCCUR, A CONDITIONAL RISK OF VERY LARGE HAIL AND LOCALLY SEVERE WIND GUSTS WILL BE PRESENT WITH ANY SUSTAINED SUPERCELL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) Big 10% hatched tornado for day 2. Wise move for now. They do mention potential for 'greater tornado probabilities' if there's enough confidence in storms popping in a specific area. DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0100 AM CDT MON APR 11 2022 VALID 121200Z - 131200Z ...THERE IS AN ENHANCED RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS PARTS OF THE SOUTHERN/CENTRAL PLAINS INTO THE MID MISSOURI VALLEY... ..SUMMARY SCATTERED SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING VERY LARGE HAIL, DAMAGING WINDS, AND TORNADOES SHOULD OCCUR BEGINNING LATE TUESDAY AFTERNOON AND CONTINUING THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT ACROSS A BROAD PORTION OF THE SOUTHERN/CENTRAL PLAINS INTO THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY. SOME OF THE TORNADOES COULD BE STRONG. ..SYNOPSIS AN AMPLIFIED UPPER TROUGH OVER THE WESTERN CONUS WILL ADVANCE EAST-NORTHEASTWARD ON TUESDAY, REACHING THE NORTHERN/CENTRAL HIGH PLAINS BY LATE TUESDAY NIGHT. A LOW-AMPLITUDE, SOUTHERN-STREAM SHORTWAVE TROUGH INITIALLY OVER NORTHEAST MEXICO AND THE LOWER RIO GRANDE VALLEY WILL MOVE NORTHEASTWARD ACROSS THE TX COASTAL PLAIN THROUGH TUESDAY AFTERNOON, AND IT SHOULD EVENTUALLY REACH THE LOWER MS VALLEY TUESDAY NIGHT. A DEEP SURFACE LOW CENTERED OVER NORTHEASTERN CO AND THE WESTERN NE PANHANDLE TUESDAY MORNING IS FORECAST TO DEVELOP GENERALLY EASTWARD ACROSS NE THROUGH THE DAY. THIS LOW SHOULD THEN FURTHER DEVELOP EAST-NORTHEASTWARD ACROSS PARTS OF THE UPPER MIDWEST TUESDAY NIGHT. A DRYLINE EXTENDING SOUTHWARD FROM THIS LOW ACROSS MUCH OF THE CENTRAL/SOUTHERN PLAINS WILL SHARPEN THROUGH LATE TUESDAY AFTERNOON. A COLD FRONT ATTENDANT TO THE LOW IS EXPECTED TO SWEEP EAST-SOUTHEASTWARD OVER MUCH OF THE NORTHERN/CENTRAL PLAINS AND PARTS OF THE MID MO VALLEY TUESDAY EVENING/NIGHT. A STRONG CAP ASSOCIATED WITH AN EML IS EXPECTED TO INHIBIT CONVECTIVE INITIATION ALONG THE DRYLINE THROUGH MUCH OF THE DAY. ..SOUTHERN/CENTRAL PLAINS TUESDAY AFTERNOON/EVENING AS THE UPPER TROUGH APPROACHES AND THE SURFACE LOW DEVELOPS EASTWARD, A PRONOUNCED LOW-LEVEL MASS RESPONSE WILL USHER RAPID LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE RETURN NORTHWARD ACROSS THE SOUTHERN/CENTRAL PLAINS AND LOWER/MID MS VALLEY AND MIDWEST. MOST GUIDANCE INDICATES THAT AT LEAST LOW TO MID 60S SURFACE DEWPOINTS WILL BE IN PLACE TO THE EAST OF THE DRYLINE ACROSS THESE REGION BY LATE TUESDAY AFTERNOON. DIURNAL HEATING OF THIS MOIST AIRMASS ALONG WITH THE PRESENCE OF VERY STEEP MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES ASSOCIATED WITH THE EML WILL LIKELY FOSTER MODERATE TO STRONG INSTABILITY ALONG/EAST OF THE DRYLINE EXTENDING FROM PARTS OF CENTRAL TX TO EAST-CENTRAL KS. MLCAPE OF 2500-4000+ J/KG APPEARS PROBABLE BY PEAK AFTERNOON HEATING. MID-LEVEL SOUTHWESTERLY WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO GRADUALLY INCREASE DURING THE DAY, AND AROUND 35-50 KT OF DEEP-LAYER SHEAR SHOULD BE PRESENT ALONG MUCH OF THE DRYLINE BY LATE TUESDAY AFTERNOON. THIS SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR ORGANIZED STORMS, INCLUDING SUPERCELLS. THE PRIMARY UNCERTAINTY REMAINS HOW MANY THUNDERSTORMS WILL INITIATE ALONG THE LENGTH OF THE DRYLINE LATE TUESDAY AFTERNOON INTO THE EARLY EVENING, AS MID-LEVEL HEIGHT FALLS/ASCENT PRECEDING THE UPPER TROUGH WILL REMAIN FAIRLY MODEST. LINGERING CONVECTIVE INHIBITION MAY ALSO HINDER COVERAGE TO SOME EXTENT. EVEN WITH THESE UNCERTAINTIES, IT APPEARS PROBABLE THAT ISOLATED TO SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS WILL FORM ALONG THE DRYLINE FROM PARTS OF CENTRAL TX NORTHWARD INTO CENTRAL/EASTERN KS. ANY THUNDERSTORMS THAT CAN DEVELOP IN THIS VERY FAVORABLE THERMODYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT WILL LIKELY BECOME SEVERE QUICKLY. GIVEN THE LARGE RESERVOIR OF BUOYANCY AVAILABLE, SUPERCELLS WILL POSE A THREAT FOR VERY LARGE HAIL (2+ INCHES), ALONG WITH DAMAGING WINDS AS THEY DEVELOP EASTWARD THROUGH THE EVENING. A SOUTHERLY LOW-LEVEL JET WILL RAPIDLY STRENGTHEN TUESDAY EVENING ACROSS THIS REGION, AND A CORRESPONDING INCREASE IN LOW-LEVEL SHEAR IS ANTICIPATED. ANY SUPERCELLS THAT PERSIST WILL BE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING TORNADOES. WITH THE STRENGTH OF THE LOW-LEVEL SHEAR THAT IS FORECAST, A STRONG TORNADO APPEARS POSSIBLE. ...CENTRAL PLAINS INTO THE MID MISSOURI VALLEY TUESDAY EVENING/NIGHT... LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE WILL RETURN NORTHWARD AHEAD OF THE SURFACE LOW AND EAST OF THE DRYLINE ACROSS EASTERN KS INTO FAR EASTERN NE AND MUCH OF IA/MO BY TUESDAY EVENING. SURFACE DEWPOINTS MAY ONLY REACH INTO THE UPPER 50S TO LOW 60S WITH NORTHWARD EXTENT INTO IA. EVEN WITH THIS SLIGHTLY MORE LIMITED MOISTURE, STRONGER ASCENT/LOW-LEVEL CONVERGENCE AHEAD OF THE SURFACE LOW WILL LIKELY AID THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT BY TUESDAY EVENING. CONFIDENCE IS GREATER IN CONVECTION FORMING OVER PARTS OF EASTERN NE INTO IA IN THIS TIME FRAME. A SOUTH-SOUTHWESTERLY LOW-LEVEL JET WILL RAPIDLY STRENGTHEN TO 50-60+ KT AROUND 00-03Z. BOTH LOW-LEVEL AND DEEP-LAYER SHEAR APPEAR VERY SUPPORTIVE OF SUPERCELLS. ANY THUNDERSTORMS THAT CAN REMAIN DISCRETE WILL POSE A THREAT FOR VERY LARGE HAIL AND TORNADOES. EFFECTIVE SRH POTENTIALLY EXCEEDING 400 M2/S2 ACROSS IA TUESDAY EVENING AND THE STRENGTH OF THE LOW-LEVEL JET SUGGEST A THREAT FOR A COUPLE OF STRONG TORNADOES. HAVE EXPANDED THE ENHANCED RISK NORTHWARD INTO MORE OF IA TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS STRONG TORNADO POTENTIAL. GREATER TORNADO PROBABILITIES MAY BE NEEDED ACROSS THIS AREA IF CONFIDENCE INCREASES THAT MULTIPLE SUPERCELLS WILL DEVELOP. OTHERWISE, A LINE OF FORCED CONVECTION SHOULD DEVELOP ALONG THE COLD FRONT TUESDAY NIGHT AND POSE A THREAT FOR SEVERE/DAMAGING WINDS AND TORNADOES AS IT MOVES SOUTHEASTWARD ACROSS EASTERN KS AND MO INTO EARLY WEDNESDAY MORNING. ISOLATED LARGE HAIL MAY ALSO OCCUR NORTH OF THE WARM FRONT ACROSS PARTS OF THE UPPER MIDWEST. ...TEXAS COASTAL PLAIN INTO THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY TUESDAY AFTERNOON/EVENING... AS THE SOUTHERN-STREAM SHORTWAVE TROUGH MOVES OVER THE TX COASTAL PLAIN TUESDAY, THUNDERSTORMS SHOULD DEVELOP ACROSS PARTS OF THE UPPER TX COAST/EAST TX INTO LA. DIURNAL HEATING OF A MOIST LOW-LEVEL AIRMASS WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF MLCAPE GENERALLY RANGING FROM 1000-2000 J/KG TUESDAY AFTERNOON. ENHANCED MID-LEVEL SOUTHWESTERLY WINDS AROUND 40-50 KT WILL LIKELY SUPPORT UPDRAFT ORGANIZATION, AND A MIX OF MULTICELLS AND SUPERCELLS MAY DEVELOP. THESE THUNDERSTORMS WILL POSE A THREAT FOR LARGE HAIL, DAMAGING WINDS, AND PERHAPS A FEW TORNADOES AS THEY SPREAD EAST-NORTHEASTWARD TUESDAY AFTERNOON/EVENING. ..ARKLATEX INTO THE OZARKS AND MID-SOUTH TUESDAY NIGHT DEPENDING ON THE EVOLUTION OF THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PLAINS, AN ISOLATED SEVERE THREAT MAY PERSIST TUESDAY NIGHT OVER PARTS OF THE ARKLATEX, OZARKS, AND PERHAPS THE MID-SOUTH. A 50+ KT SOUTH-SOUTHWESTERLY LOW-LEVEL JET IS EXPECTED TO OVERSPREAD THESE REGIONS IN THIS TIME FRAME, AND RICH LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE SHOULD SUPPORT ENOUGH INSTABILITY TO MAINTAIN SURFACE-BASED THUNDERSTORMS. ANY CONVECTION THAT CAN PERSIST OR FORM IN THIS REGIME WOULD POSE A THREAT FOR TORNADOES, DAMAGING WINDS, AND LARGE HAIL, AS LOW-LEVEL AND DEEP-LAYER SHEAR APPEAR MORE THAN SUFFICIENT FOR SUPERCELLS. Edited April 11, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Good thing I took it back 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted April 11, 2022 Hour and a half until the new day 3. I might be up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Just now, ClicheVortex2014 said: Hour and a half until the new day 3. I might be up for it. I'm going to say either a very broad Enhanced risk, or a rare D3 Moderate for the Southern Mississippi River Valley (Arkansas, Mississippi, Kentucky, Missouri, Illinois, & Tennessee) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, OKwx_2001 said: Good thing I took it back 😂 I knew that was coming, the CAPE values on the models is over 4000 in Northern Oklahoma Storm Shelter is ready to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 SPC already mentioning higher tor probs possible for the northern part of the 10 hatched. If models start showing supercells in OK/KS, we could see an upgrade there too. Someone's probably getting a moderate risk Tuesday and probably Wednesday too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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