Chinook Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 51 minutes ago, OKwx_2001 said: My guess is we'll see a Day 3 enhanced for Monday. Instability doesn't look like anything crazy right now but that's enough to get the job done and sometimes models underestimate it a bit. As of right now, I'm not really seeing a whole lot holding either Monday or Tuesday back right now but there's still enough time for things to change. Either way both days will likely be pretty big events. I agree. The NAM has some large severe weather elements in east Texas. As of right now, the GFS has the higher storm-relative helicity farther east away from the dryline. I would guess that there's some uncertainty associated with that SRH. I think SPC will go with enhanced risk at some time, probably as of tonight's Day-3 outlook, maybe even an enhanced tornado outlook upcoming at some time. Question: Is the 15% contour valid as an enhanced tornado outlook for Day-1? I forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, Chinook said: I agree. The NAM has some large severe weather elements in east Texas. As of right now, the GFS has the higher storm-relative helicity farther east away from the dryline. I would guess that there's some uncertainty associated with that SRH. I think SPC will go with enhanced risk at some time, probably as of tonight's Day-3 outlook, maybe even an enhanced tornado outlook upcoming at some time. Question: Is the 15% contour valid as an enhanced tornado outlook for Day-1? I forgot. They only do the specific tornado probs on the Days 1 and 2 outlooks. Day 3 enhanced would be a 30% general severe risk. Part of me wants to stay up for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Day 3 is indeed enhanced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Yikes!!! Day 4-8 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 0400 AM CDT Sat Mar 19 2022 Valid 221200Z - 271200Z ...SEVERE WEATHER OUTBREAK POSSIBLE ON D4/TUE... ...DISCUSSION... Latest deterministic and ensemble runs of the medium-range global models continue to depict likelihood of a continuation of potentially substantial severe-weather event across the central Gulf Coast states Tuesday and into Wednesday. This includes a reasonable probability of a regional-type tornado outbreak centered over central and southern Mississippi for Tuesday. As strong upper low/trough over the central and southern Plains region shifts gradually eastward, a belt of very strong mid- and upper-level southwesterlies will likely extend from east Texas across the Tennessee Valley, atop a 60 kt southerly low-level jet. The resulting/anticipated degree of veering and increasing flow with height falls within high-end parameter space for significant tornadoes. In addition, the strong low-level southerlies will persistently advect high theta-e Gulf air (dewpoints averaging in the upper 60s) northward into the pre-frontal warm sector, which -- despite limited heating due to cloud cover and potentially ongoing convection in some areas -- will combine with modestly steep mid-level lapse rates to yield what should prove to be ample CAPE at least as far north as central Mississippi, and later central Alabama. Overall, given very strong shear, the strength of the upper system, and the Gulf warm sector expected inland, a high-end environment appears likely to exist across a geographically-focused area centered over the central Gulf Coast states, supporting potential for a substantial outbreak of severe/supercell storms. Severe weather potential will likely continue into Wednesday, though the upper system appears likely to become somewhat sheared/elongated as the upper low/jet streak shift northeastward across the Ohio Valley, while secondary energy digs southward across the southern Rockies and into northern Mexico. Thus, while an amply moist/unstable environment and still-strong shear will exist across southeastern Alabama/southwestern Georgia/the Florida Panhandle, and possibly expanding during the day into parts of South Carolina supporting continued potential for severe storms, the risk will be lesser than Tuesday's event, and should diminish with time into the evening hours. Still, all-hazards severe weather will be a possibility through the first half of the period across this portion of the Southeast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undertakerson2.0 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Representative sounding via Euro. Some elements of loaded gun sounding with that upper level (300mb level and up) increase in temperature (where we'd usually see continually cooling as one goes higher up). This should blow the roof off of any kind of CINH The SHR (loosely evaluated by the relative position of the green line to the red) appears to suggest significant mixing/shear Hodograph Critical Angle is a stout enough 69 (50-99 is increasingly worrisome) Although Surface temps indicate some nullification of the above (it's not super warm) it is transporting very "soupy" SE flow straight from the GOM, so lifting the parcel will cause havoc. This has an outside chance, as things stand right now, to go to PDS level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 9z SREF has a 60% STP in SE Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 SPC flat out mentions tornado outbreak on Tuesday. May be some Day 3 moderate material but it will probably be enhanced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted March 19, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) Wow I haven’t seen that kind of wording for a day 4 outlook in a very long time Edited March 19, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, OKwx_2001 said: SPC flat out mentions tornado outbreak on Tuesday. May be some Day 3 moderate material but it will probably be enhanced. This uncontaminated 6z GFS sounding is over SE Mississippi, & it's really scary. O_O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted March 19, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) Ok so I'm going to share some day 4 outlooks for previous significant events... keep in mind I'm not saying this event is comparable to any of the events because everything has to happen just right... and they did. These all turned out to be high risks except for Easter 2020 which easily could've been. They all happen to be high-end events because those are the most memorable... I'm sure there are plenty of examples of events that had very strongly worded day 4 outlooks that turned out to be less threatening. 2011 Super Outbreak DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0350 AM CDT SUN APR 24 2011 VALID 271200Z - 021200Z ...DISCUSSION... WIDESPREAD CONVECTIVE/SEVERE WEATHER EVENT -- ONGOING FROM THE DAY 3 /TUE. 4-26/ PERIOD -- IS LIKELY TO CONTINUE SPREADING EWD ACROSS THE OH/TN VALLEYS AND GULF COAST STATES DAY 4 /WED. 4-27/...AS MEDIUM-RANGE MODELS BOTH FORECAST EWD PROGRESSION OF THE LARGE CENTRAL U.S. TROUGH. AS THE COLD FRONT SHIFTS EWD TOWARD THE APPALACHIANS THROUGH THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING...PRE-FRONTAL WARM SECTOR FEATURING MODERATE INSTABILITY AND STRONG DEEP-LAYER SHEAR WILL SUPPORT CONTINUATION/REDEVELOPMENT OF SEVERE STORMS INTO THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING. POTENTIAL FOR SUBSTANTIAL SEVERE WEATHER -- INCLUDING HAIL/WIND AND ISOLATED TORNADOES -- SUPPORTS CONTINUATION OF A LARGE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT AREA FOR DAY 4. 11/17/13 DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0400 AM CST THU NOV 14 2013 VALID 171200Z - 221200Z ...DISCUSSION... SOME UNCERTAINTY LINGERS...BUT TRENDS IN THE MEDIUM RANGE FORECAST GUIDANCE ARE INCREASINGLY SUGGESTIVE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ENVIRONMENT SUPPORTIVE OF AN OUTBREAK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS PARTS OF THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY EASTWARD THROUGH MUCH OF THE OHIO VALLEY ON SUNDAY. MOST GUIDANCE NOW APPEARS GENERALLY FASTER WITH THE CONTINUED EASTWARD PROGRESSION OF A STRONG SHORT WAVE TROUGH...FROM THE CENTRAL PLAINS EARLY SUNDAY TO THE LOWER GREAT LAKES/UPPER OHIO VALLEY/CENTRAL APPALACHIANS REGION BY LATE SUNDAY NIGHT. MOST MODELS ARE NOW SUGGESTIVE THAT THIS WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY STRONG SURFACE CYCLOGENESIS...WITH MOST RAPID SURFACE PRESSURE FALLS ACROSS PARTS OF THE GREAT LAKES REGION AND OHIO VALLEY LATE SUNDAY AFTERNOON INTO SUNDAY NIGHT. A 90+ KT 500 MB JET STREAK NOSING THROUGH THE OHIO VALLEY...COUPLED WITH STRENGTHENING SOUTHERLY WARM SECTOR 850 MB FLOW...PERHAPS IN EXCESS OF 70 KTS ACROSS PARTS OF THE OHIO VALLEY INTO THE LOWER GREAT LAKES...WILL CONTRIBUTE TO VERY STRONG DEEP LAYER WIND FIELDS AND SHEAR. IT ALSO APPEARS INCREASINGLY PROBABLE THAT THIS WILL COINCIDE WITH AN INFLUX OF SEASONABLY HIGH MOISTURE CONTENT AT LEAST AS FAR NORTH AND EAST AS THE LOWER OHIO VALLEY...CONTRIBUTING TO SUFFICIENT CAPE FOR VIGOROUS STORM DEVELOPMENT. SUPERCELLS WITH A RISK FOR TORNADOES WILL BE POSSIBLE...PARTICULARLY IN EARLY STAGES OF CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT...PERHAPS AS EARLY AS MID DAY ACROSS PARTS OF THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI INTO LOWER OHIO VALLEY VALLEY. Easter 2020 ...D4/Sunday: TX Gulf Coast eastward through the Southeast into the Carolinas... Ingredients for a potential severe thunderstorm outbreak appear likely to come together Sunday into Sunday night. An ejecting shortwave trough is forecast to take on a neutral to somewhat negative tilt by Sunday afternoon as it moves quickly east-northeastward across the Southeast states. Rich low-level moisture will be drawn inland from the Gulf of Mexico in advance of a deepening surface low that will move from the mid-MS Valley into the Ohio Valley by Monday morning. Moderate destabilization in conjunction with an 80-100 kt midlevel jet and 50-60 kt low-level jet will result in a very favorable environment for organized convection, including the potential for long-track supercells and a corresponding strong tornado risk. Very strong low/midlevel flow fields will also support widespread damaging wind potential. Some uncertainty remains regarding the northward extent of the most significant severe potential, given the presence of widespread convection in advance of the ejecting shortwave. Guidance also continues to trend slightly slower, with the GFS still a notably fast outlier. A 30% probability contour has been introduced from LA into central/southern MS/AL and southwest GA, where confidence is highest in the outbreak potential at this time. An organized severe thunderstorm threat will likely continue into Monday morning, with the potential for damaging wind and/or a few tornadoes likely spreading into portions of the Carolinas by 12Z Monday. May 20, 2019 which turned into a 45% tornado probability bust because *one thing* didn't verify... that being warm sector convection. ZCZC SPCSWOD48 ALL ACUS48 KWNS 170900 SPC AC 170900 Day 4-8 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 0400 AM CDT Fri May 17 2019 Valid 201200Z - 251200Z ...DISCUSSION... On D4/Monday, a lead shortwave trough will eject out of the base of the deep upper troughing over the western CONUS into the central/southern Plains. This lead wave is not expected to be particularly deep, with the more significant, deeper shortwave lagging back over the Southwest. This leads to the unique situation where strong moisture advection and backed surface winds are able to persist as a source of lift interacts with the warm sector. Wind fields are also impressively strong, with southwesterly 500 mb flow approaching 80 kt atop 50 kt 850 mb southerly flow and 20-25 kt southeasterly surface winds. The overall result of these factors is an environment strongly supportive of severe storms. An initial discrete mode capable of all severe hazards, including tornadoes, is anticipated. If a discrete mode can be maintained, strong tornadoes could occur. Upscale growth is eventually expected, with a strong MCS then tracking eastward across OK and adjacent portions of southern KS and north TX. The evolution of the MCS anticipated on D4/Monday will have a large impact on the downstream air mass and resulting severe threat on D5/Tuesday. Even so, current guidance shows good consensus that a shortwave and accompanying strong flow aloft will interact with a warm sector from roughly the MO river valley into the Mid-South. Uncertainty regarding cloud cover and resulting effective on diurnal heating and the extent of air mass destabilization currently preclude enough confidence to introduce a 30% outlook area. Edited March 19, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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snowlover2 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 hour ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: Ok so I'm going to share some day 4 outlooks for previous significant events... keep in mind I'm not saying this event is comparable to any of the events because everything has to happen just right... and they did. These all turned out to be high risks except for Easter 2020 which easily could've been. They all happen to be high-end events because those are the most memorable... I'm sure there are plenty of examples of events that had very strongly worded day 4 outlooks that turned out to be less threatening. 2011 Super Outbreak DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0350 AM CDT SUN APR 24 2011 VALID 271200Z - 021200Z ...DISCUSSION... WIDESPREAD CONVECTIVE/SEVERE WEATHER EVENT -- ONGOING FROM THE DAY 3 /TUE. 4-26/ PERIOD -- IS LIKELY TO CONTINUE SPREADING EWD ACROSS THE OH/TN VALLEYS AND GULF COAST STATES DAY 4 /WED. 4-27/...AS MEDIUM-RANGE MODELS BOTH FORECAST EWD PROGRESSION OF THE LARGE CENTRAL U.S. TROUGH. AS THE COLD FRONT SHIFTS EWD TOWARD THE APPALACHIANS THROUGH THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING...PRE-FRONTAL WARM SECTOR FEATURING MODERATE INSTABILITY AND STRONG DEEP-LAYER SHEAR WILL SUPPORT CONTINUATION/REDEVELOPMENT OF SEVERE STORMS INTO THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING. POTENTIAL FOR SUBSTANTIAL SEVERE WEATHER -- INCLUDING HAIL/WIND AND ISOLATED TORNADOES -- SUPPORTS CONTINUATION OF A LARGE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT AREA FOR DAY 4. 11/17/13 DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0400 AM CST THU NOV 14 2013 VALID 171200Z - 221200Z ...DISCUSSION... SOME UNCERTAINTY LINGERS...BUT TRENDS IN THE MEDIUM RANGE FORECAST GUIDANCE ARE INCREASINGLY SUGGESTIVE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ENVIRONMENT SUPPORTIVE OF AN OUTBREAK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS PARTS OF THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY EASTWARD THROUGH MUCH OF THE OHIO VALLEY ON SUNDAY. MOST GUIDANCE NOW APPEARS GENERALLY FASTER WITH THE CONTINUED EASTWARD PROGRESSION OF A STRONG SHORT WAVE TROUGH...FROM THE CENTRAL PLAINS EARLY SUNDAY TO THE LOWER GREAT LAKES/UPPER OHIO VALLEY/CENTRAL APPALACHIANS REGION BY LATE SUNDAY NIGHT. MOST MODELS ARE NOW SUGGESTIVE THAT THIS WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY STRONG SURFACE CYCLOGENESIS...WITH MOST RAPID SURFACE PRESSURE FALLS ACROSS PARTS OF THE GREAT LAKES REGION AND OHIO VALLEY LATE SUNDAY AFTERNOON INTO SUNDAY NIGHT. A 90+ KT 500 MB JET STREAK NOSING THROUGH THE OHIO VALLEY...COUPLED WITH STRENGTHENING SOUTHERLY WARM SECTOR 850 MB FLOW...PERHAPS IN EXCESS OF 70 KTS ACROSS PARTS OF THE OHIO VALLEY INTO THE LOWER GREAT LAKES...WILL CONTRIBUTE TO VERY STRONG DEEP LAYER WIND FIELDS AND SHEAR. IT ALSO APPEARS INCREASINGLY PROBABLE THAT THIS WILL COINCIDE WITH AN INFLUX OF SEASONABLY HIGH MOISTURE CONTENT AT LEAST AS FAR NORTH AND EAST AS THE LOWER OHIO VALLEY...CONTRIBUTING TO SUFFICIENT CAPE FOR VIGOROUS STORM DEVELOPMENT. SUPERCELLS WITH A RISK FOR TORNADOES WILL BE POSSIBLE...PARTICULARLY IN EARLY STAGES OF CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT...PERHAPS AS EARLY AS MID DAY ACROSS PARTS OF THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI INTO LOWER OHIO VALLEY VALLEY. Easter 2020 ...D4/Sunday: TX Gulf Coast eastward through the Southeast into the Carolinas... Ingredients for a potential severe thunderstorm outbreak appear likely to come together Sunday into Sunday night. An ejecting shortwave trough is forecast to take on a neutral to somewhat negative tilt by Sunday afternoon as it moves quickly east-northeastward across the Southeast states. Rich low-level moisture will be drawn inland from the Gulf of Mexico in advance of a deepening surface low that will move from the mid-MS Valley into the Ohio Valley by Monday morning. Moderate destabilization in conjunction with an 80-100 kt midlevel jet and 50-60 kt low-level jet will result in a very favorable environment for organized convection, including the potential for long-track supercells and a corresponding strong tornado risk. Very strong low/midlevel flow fields will also support widespread damaging wind potential. Some uncertainty remains regarding the northward extent of the most significant severe potential, given the presence of widespread convection in advance of the ejecting shortwave. Guidance also continues to trend slightly slower, with the GFS still a notably fast outlier. A 30% probability contour has been introduced from LA into central/southern MS/AL and southwest GA, where confidence is highest in the outbreak potential at this time. An organized severe thunderstorm threat will likely continue into Monday morning, with the potential for damaging wind and/or a few tornadoes likely spreading into portions of the Carolinas by 12Z Monday. May 20, 2019 which turned into a 45% tornado probability bust because *one thing* didn't verify... that being warm sector convection. ZCZC SPCSWOD48 ALL ACUS48 KWNS 170900 SPC AC 170900 Day 4-8 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 0400 AM CDT Fri May 17 2019 Valid 201200Z - 251200Z ...DISCUSSION... On D4/Monday, a lead shortwave trough will eject out of the base of the deep upper troughing over the western CONUS into the central/southern Plains. This lead wave is not expected to be particularly deep, with the more significant, deeper shortwave lagging back over the Southwest. This leads to the unique situation where strong moisture advection and backed surface winds are able to persist as a source of lift interacts with the warm sector. Wind fields are also impressively strong, with southwesterly 500 mb flow approaching 80 kt atop 50 kt 850 mb southerly flow and 20-25 kt southeasterly surface winds. The overall result of these factors is an environment strongly supportive of severe storms. An initial discrete mode capable of all severe hazards, including tornadoes, is anticipated. If a discrete mode can be maintained, strong tornadoes could occur. Upscale growth is eventually expected, with a strong MCS then tracking eastward across OK and adjacent portions of southern KS and north TX. The evolution of the MCS anticipated on D4/Monday will have a large impact on the downstream air mass and resulting severe threat on D5/Tuesday. Even so, current guidance shows good consensus that a shortwave and accompanying strong flow aloft will interact with a warm sector from roughly the MO river valley into the Mid-South. Uncertainty regarding cloud cover and resulting effective on diurnal heating and the extent of air mass destabilization currently preclude enough confidence to introduce a 30% outlook area. Still amazing how the May 20, 2019 busted and a week later the OV event turned into a bigger tornado outbreak than anyone expected. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 hour ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: Hodograph porn, anyone? My goodness, it's a contaminated sounding though, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted March 19, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) Pivotalweather now has sbcape overlapped with hodographs. Amazing. Warm sector is disgustingly ripe with sufficient instability and textbook hodographs for long-lived, tornadic supercells Edited March 19, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted March 19, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ClicheVortex2014 said: Ok so I'm going to share some day 4 outlooks for previous significant events... keep in mind I'm not saying this event is comparable to any of the events because everything has to happen just right... and they did. These all turned out to be high risks except for Easter 2020 which easily could've been. They all happen to be high-end events because those are the most memorable... I'm sure there are plenty of examples of events that had very strongly worded day 4 outlooks that turned out to be less threatening. 2011 Super Outbreak DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0350 AM CDT SUN APR 24 2011 VALID 271200Z - 021200Z ...DISCUSSION... WIDESPREAD CONVECTIVE/SEVERE WEATHER EVENT -- ONGOING FROM THE DAY 3 /TUE. 4-26/ PERIOD -- IS LIKELY TO CONTINUE SPREADING EWD ACROSS THE OH/TN VALLEYS AND GULF COAST STATES DAY 4 /WED. 4-27/...AS MEDIUM-RANGE MODELS BOTH FORECAST EWD PROGRESSION OF THE LARGE CENTRAL U.S. TROUGH. AS THE COLD FRONT SHIFTS EWD TOWARD THE APPALACHIANS THROUGH THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING...PRE-FRONTAL WARM SECTOR FEATURING MODERATE INSTABILITY AND STRONG DEEP-LAYER SHEAR WILL SUPPORT CONTINUATION/REDEVELOPMENT OF SEVERE STORMS INTO THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING. POTENTIAL FOR SUBSTANTIAL SEVERE WEATHER -- INCLUDING HAIL/WIND AND ISOLATED TORNADOES -- SUPPORTS CONTINUATION OF A LARGE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT AREA FOR DAY 4. 11/17/13 DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0400 AM CST THU NOV 14 2013 VALID 171200Z - 221200Z ...DISCUSSION... SOME UNCERTAINTY LINGERS...BUT TRENDS IN THE MEDIUM RANGE FORECAST GUIDANCE ARE INCREASINGLY SUGGESTIVE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ENVIRONMENT SUPPORTIVE OF AN OUTBREAK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS PARTS OF THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY EASTWARD THROUGH MUCH OF THE OHIO VALLEY ON SUNDAY. MOST GUIDANCE NOW APPEARS GENERALLY FASTER WITH THE CONTINUED EASTWARD PROGRESSION OF A STRONG SHORT WAVE TROUGH...FROM THE CENTRAL PLAINS EARLY SUNDAY TO THE LOWER GREAT LAKES/UPPER OHIO VALLEY/CENTRAL APPALACHIANS REGION BY LATE SUNDAY NIGHT. MOST MODELS ARE NOW SUGGESTIVE THAT THIS WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY STRONG SURFACE CYCLOGENESIS...WITH MOST RAPID SURFACE PRESSURE FALLS ACROSS PARTS OF THE GREAT LAKES REGION AND OHIO VALLEY LATE SUNDAY AFTERNOON INTO SUNDAY NIGHT. A 90+ KT 500 MB JET STREAK NOSING THROUGH THE OHIO VALLEY...COUPLED WITH STRENGTHENING SOUTHERLY WARM SECTOR 850 MB FLOW...PERHAPS IN EXCESS OF 70 KTS ACROSS PARTS OF THE OHIO VALLEY INTO THE LOWER GREAT LAKES...WILL CONTRIBUTE TO VERY STRONG DEEP LAYER WIND FIELDS AND SHEAR. IT ALSO APPEARS INCREASINGLY PROBABLE THAT THIS WILL COINCIDE WITH AN INFLUX OF SEASONABLY HIGH MOISTURE CONTENT AT LEAST AS FAR NORTH AND EAST AS THE LOWER OHIO VALLEY...CONTRIBUTING TO SUFFICIENT CAPE FOR VIGOROUS STORM DEVELOPMENT. SUPERCELLS WITH A RISK FOR TORNADOES WILL BE POSSIBLE...PARTICULARLY IN EARLY STAGES OF CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT...PERHAPS AS EARLY AS MID DAY ACROSS PARTS OF THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI INTO LOWER OHIO VALLEY VALLEY. Easter 2020 ...D4/Sunday: TX Gulf Coast eastward through the Southeast into the Carolinas... Ingredients for a potential severe thunderstorm outbreak appear likely to come together Sunday into Sunday night. An ejecting shortwave trough is forecast to take on a neutral to somewhat negative tilt by Sunday afternoon as it moves quickly east-northeastward across the Southeast states. Rich low-level moisture will be drawn inland from the Gulf of Mexico in advance of a deepening surface low that will move from the mid-MS Valley into the Ohio Valley by Monday morning. Moderate destabilization in conjunction with an 80-100 kt midlevel jet and 50-60 kt low-level jet will result in a very favorable environment for organized convection, including the potential for long-track supercells and a corresponding strong tornado risk. Very strong low/midlevel flow fields will also support widespread damaging wind potential. Some uncertainty remains regarding the northward extent of the most significant severe potential, given the presence of widespread convection in advance of the ejecting shortwave. Guidance also continues to trend slightly slower, with the GFS still a notably fast outlier. A 30% probability contour has been introduced from LA into central/southern MS/AL and southwest GA, where confidence is highest in the outbreak potential at this time. An organized severe thunderstorm threat will likely continue into Monday morning, with the potential for damaging wind and/or a few tornadoes likely spreading into portions of the Carolinas by 12Z Monday. May 20, 2019 which turned into a 45% tornado probability bust because *one thing* didn't verify... that being warm sector convection. ZCZC SPCSWOD48 ALL ACUS48 KWNS 170900 SPC AC 170900 Day 4-8 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 0400 AM CDT Fri May 17 2019 Valid 201200Z - 251200Z ...DISCUSSION... On D4/Monday, a lead shortwave trough will eject out of the base of the deep upper troughing over the western CONUS into the central/southern Plains. This lead wave is not expected to be particularly deep, with the more significant, deeper shortwave lagging back over the Southwest. This leads to the unique situation where strong moisture advection and backed surface winds are able to persist as a source of lift interacts with the warm sector. Wind fields are also impressively strong, with southwesterly 500 mb flow approaching 80 kt atop 50 kt 850 mb southerly flow and 20-25 kt southeasterly surface winds. The overall result of these factors is an environment strongly supportive of severe storms. An initial discrete mode capable of all severe hazards, including tornadoes, is anticipated. If a discrete mode can be maintained, strong tornadoes could occur. Upscale growth is eventually expected, with a strong MCS then tracking eastward across OK and adjacent portions of southern KS and north TX. The evolution of the MCS anticipated on D4/Monday will have a large impact on the downstream air mass and resulting severe threat on D5/Tuesday. Even so, current guidance shows good consensus that a shortwave and accompanying strong flow aloft will interact with a warm sector from roughly the MO river valley into the Mid-South. Uncertainty regarding cloud cover and resulting effective on diurnal heating and the extent of air mass destabilization currently preclude enough confidence to introduce a 30% outlook area. Forgot about late April 2014. Day 4 for April 27, 2014... high risk for Arkansas. High-end EF4 verified (Mayflower-Vilonia). Also turned out to be a day 3 moderate risk, like 4/27/11 and 5/20/19 was. DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0338 AM CDT THU APR 24 2014 VALID 271200Z - 021200Z ...DISCUSSION... ...SIGNIFICANT MULTI-DAY SEVERE EVENT EXPECTED ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE CENTRAL/SOUTHERN PLAINS AND MS VALLEY SUNDAY...AND MS VALLEY/CNTRL GULF STATES ON MONDAY...STRONG TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE... BOTH THE ECMWF/GFS ARE IN GENERAL AGREEMENT REGARDING THE EVOLUTION OF UPPER LOW AS IT PROGRESSES INTO THE PLAINS SUNDAY...THEN INTO THE MS VALLEY MONDAY. AFTER INITIAL SPEED MAX EJECTS INTO THE CNTRL PLAINS SUNDAY SUBSTANTIAL MID-LEVEL FLOW DEVELOPS WITHIN THE BASE OF THE TROUGH OVER TX AND SPREADS ACROSS THE LOWER MS VALLEY INTO THE NCNTRL GULF STATES/TN VALLEY. ECMWF IS MORE SUPPRESSED WITH THIS STRONGER FLOW THAN THE GFS BUT THE IDEA THAT STRONG FLOW SHOULD OVERSPREAD A BUOYANT AIRMASS BOTH DAYS REMAINS. MODELS CONTINUE TO SURGE THE DRYLINE ACROSS THE PLAINS EARLY IN THE PERIOD WITH BOTH AGREEING THAT SIGNIFICANT BOUNDARY LAYER DRYING WILL SPREAD EAST OF I-35 CORRIDOR FAIRLY EARLY SUNDAY. GIVEN THE MID-LEVEL JET THAT EJECTS INTO THE CNTRL PLAINS EARLY THIS MAY TRANSPIRE AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS SHOULD EVOLVE FROM SERN NEB...ACROSS ERN KS/OK INTO NERN TX BEFORE SPREADING INTO WRN MO/AR/NWRN LA. Day 4 outlook for 4/28/14. Turned out to be another day 3 moderate risk, day 1 high risk. DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0351 AM CDT FRI APR 25 2014 VALID 281200Z - 031200Z ...DISCUSSION... ...MULTI-DAY SEVERE EPISODE SHOULD CONTINUE INTO AT LEAST TUESDAY FROM THE OH VALLEY TO THE CNTRL GULF COAST. POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR A SEVERE WEATHER OUTBREAK INCLUDING STRONG TORNADOES... ACTIVE SEVERE WEATHER PATTERN WILL PERSIST WITH A BROAD UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH CENTERED OVER THE CNTRL CONUS. ECMWF/GFS/UKMET/CMC ARE RATHER CONSISTENT WITH THE EVOLUTION OF INTENSE MID-LEVEL SPEED MAXIMA ROTATING THROUGH THE BASE OF THE TROUGH INTO D5/TUE. THESE WINDS WILL OVERSPREAD PARTS OF A BROAD WARM/MOIST SECTOR CHARACTERIZED BY 60S SURFACE DEW POINTS. DESPITE MULTIPLE DAYS OF EXTENSIVE WARM SECTOR CONVECTION...DIURNAL HEATING COUPLED WITH W/SWLYS IN THE MID-LEVELS SHOULD RECHARGE/STEEPEN LAPSE RATES...POTENTIALLY YIELDING MODERATE TO STRONG INSTABILITY EACH AFTERNOON. OF THE TWO DAYS HIGHLIGHTED...D5/TUE APPEARS TO HAVE SLIGHTLY GREATER OUTBREAK POTENTIAL WITH A 90+ KT 500-MB JET EJECTING OUT OF THE BASE OF THE TROUGH. Edited March 19, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Central Illinois Posted March 19, 2022 Moderators Share Posted March 19, 2022 I could easily see them going moderate in the next outlook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted March 19, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) JAN, the heart of the day 4 enhanced risk, echos some of the same things as SPC but they put emphasis on storm mode. Surface cyclogenesis will occur on Monday over the Texas panhandle with the low deepening to ~995mb beneath strong upper divergence as it shifts northeast into Missouri by Tuesday. Intense convection will initiate upstream across east Texas on Monday ahead of an advancing dryline and will move into the ArkLaTex overnight. Some of this activity may encroach on the western edge of the CWA early Tuesday morning and could bring an early round of severe weather mainly west of the Mississippi River. This activity is expected to lift north Tuesday morning on the leading edge of rapid moisture return as dewpoints surge into the mid to upper 60s with low 70s possible. This will set the stage for the main round of potentially significant severe weather during the day and into the evening hours. The lead shortwave trough embedded within the mean longwave will take on a negative tilt as it lifts across the Lower Mississippi Valley. Subsequent height falls will overspread the region and will provide adequate forcing for ascent in concert with continued strong upper divergence. Intense convection is expected to initiate across central Louisiana during the mid to late morning hours and push east across the area through the day and into the early evening within a pre-frontal surface trough. Convection will reside within high-end parameter space as rich boundary layer moisture and cool air aloft will yield moderately steep lapse rates and 1000-1500 J/kg of MLCAPE. In addition, robust wind fields will be supportive of 35-45kts of 0-1km vertical wind shear and 300-500 m2/s2 of 0-1km SRH. As such, all modes of severe weather will be possible with the potential for tornadoes, damaging winds and large hail. The synoptic pattern as well as the aforementioned environment are indicative of a potentially significant severe weather episode, however, lingering uncertainty is focused around storm mode and convective evolution. These details are not yet apparent at this time range, but early indications are for a mixed mode of QLCS along with supercells followed by eventual upscale growth into a predominately linear storm mode with embedded supercell structures. Even with a linear storm mode, the environment would still support an intense line of storms with damaging winds and tornadoes. In addition to severe weather, a period of training convection overnight Monday into Tuesday morning across the Delta may result in flash flooding. A swath of 3-5" of rainfall may be realized, but exact placement remains uncertain. Will hold off on mention in the HWO/graphics for now until placement can be nailed down. Both of the following days had extremely high-end parameters and discrete warm sector convection was expected. The parameters verified in both cases but the warm sector activity... didn't. HRRR was showing an unbelievable outbreak just 12 hours out on the morning of 5/20/19. So storm mode really is a believe-it-when-I-see-it thing... though I'm more inclined to believe warm sector/pre-squall convection in Dixie Alley than Oklahoma because they have a stronger history of that. Has to do with weaker caps and such. Edited March 19, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted March 19, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted March 19, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist Ingyball Posted March 20, 2022 Meteorologist Share Posted March 20, 2022 All in all, looks like it will be a good rain event here in Kansas. 1-2" will go along way towards erasing the drought here, doesn't take as much as some places further south. Helps that central portions of the state saw 0.5-1" last week. If we can keep a somewhat active pattern going into April, I'm feeling more confident about the peak of Central and Northern Plains severe season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceresistance Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 21z SREF already has a 75% Contour over Louisiana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted March 20, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted March 20, 2022 First look at HRRR for Monday. The model is unreliable at this range but it's always interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist ClicheVortex2014 Posted March 20, 2022 Author Meteorologist Share Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) ARW and NSSL get going around 7pm local time on Monday. Cliffhanger. Unfortunately this might be a late evening/early overnight event. I'm not sure about whether SPC will go with a day 2 moderate... I think a day 3 moderate is more likely, ironically. Tuesday has moderate risk potential due to the squall and extreme wind shear alone... albeit for damaging winds. Monday will have to be tornado threat-driven. I'd go with 10% hatched for tornadoes for day 2, and if they broke the day 3 probabilities into categories, I'd do the same for day 3. Too early to be that certain about discrete/warm sector convection. We should have a slightly better picture for Monday by the second day 2 update. Edited March 20, 2022 by ClicheVortex2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricStorm Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 I think it's a tossup between moderate and enhanced for the initial Day 2 outlook, leaning towards enhanced. Probably will be moderate at some point though. I think the Day 3 is also a tossup. Really could go either way here but since Day 3 moderates are so rare, I'm guessing they might keep it at enhanced for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteorologist Ingyball Posted March 20, 2022 Meteorologist Share Posted March 20, 2022 Not quite trusting the NAM right now. It did horrible with Thursday's storm here. There were a couple of runs that gave us nothing lol. Seems like it's trying to do that again where it's too far south and east with everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 For those interested, the Midnight Day-2 outlook has... enhanced with 10% hatched tornado risk and some areas of 30% hatched hail risk closer to Austin, no hatched by Houston. Same type of areas for enhanced type outlook. I won't post the whole discussion, as it is midnight and I don't feel like reading it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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